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From: =Bob=
Subject: Editor behavior Win 3.6.1
Date: 16 Oct 2004 13:00:22
Message: <417153a6@news.povray.org>
Anyone else see this behavior in the editor that comes
with the Win 3.6.1 (3.6.1.id8.win32)?  It doesn't happen
in Pov 3.5. I'm using Win98.

type in some text:

Today

and save it so the editor sets the clean state.

now change a character: the letter 'd' by moving the caret in front of
the letter 'd' then press the delete key then press the letter 'g'

The editor should know the text is "dirty" and the "Save" button should
be active. Now click on the "Save" button.

Now undo twice (Ctrl+Z) which undoes the character and the deletion and
the letter 'd' should reappear.

Now delete the 'd' again then press the letter 'q' and now the "Save"
button is inactive, but it should be active.

=Bob=


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From: Daniel Hulme
Subject: Re: Editor behavior Win 3.6.1
Date: 16 Oct 2004 13:05:02
Message: <20041016180502.0357cd8d@dh286.pem.cam.ac.uk>
> now change a character: the letter 'd' by moving the caret in front of
> the letter 'd' then press the delete key then press the letter 'g'
...
> Now delete the 'd' again then press the letter 'q' and now the "Save"
> button is inactive, but it should be active.
Obviously this problem is because the letter q looks quite like a g, so
when the editor quickly scans the text to see if it has changed, it
doesn't notice that there is a q there instead of a g. Changing it to a
x or something as distinctive should work.

Daniel

-- 
A most peculiar man    With the windows closed      And Mrs Reardon says
He died last Saturday  So he'd never wake up  He has a brother somewhere
He turned on the gas   To his silent world   Who should be notified soon
And he went to sleep   And his tiny room    .oO( http://sad.istic.org/ )


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From: =Bob=
Subject: Re: Editor behavior Win 3.6.1
Date: 16 Oct 2004 13:32:54
Message: <41715b46@news.povray.org>
"Daniel Hulme" <pho### [at] isticorg> wrote in message
news:200### [at] dh286pemcamacuk...
: Obviously this problem is because the letter q looks quite like a g, so
: when the editor quickly scans the text to see if it has changed, it
: doesn't notice that there is a q there instead of a g. Changing it to a
: x or something as distinctive should work.

Wow! Maybe you're right! I'm almost afraid to see the
confusion of l and 1 and 0 and O and the list is going
to be enormous! You get started, Ok?
=Bob=


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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: Editor behavior Win 3.6.1
Date: 16 Oct 2004 14:25:41
Message: <MPG.1bdb15525befc872989bee@news.povray.org>
In article <200### [at] dh286pemcamacuk>, 
pho### [at] isticorg says...
> > now change a character: the letter 'd' by moving the caret in front of
> > the letter 'd' then press the delete key then press the letter 'g'
> ...
> > Now delete the 'd' again then press the letter 'q' and now the "Save"
> > button is inactive, but it should be active.
> Obviously this problem is because the letter q looks quite like a g, so
> when the editor quickly scans the text to see if it has changed, it
> doesn't notice that there is a q there instead of a g. Changing it to a
> x or something as distinctive should work.
> 
Gee.. That is amazing, I didn't know the editor for POVRay had a OCR 
system built in... This is pure nonsense. The two make 'look' the same 
visibly, but computer programs don't get by what something 'looks like', 
they deal with numbers. Not sure what is going on here, but it definitely 
isn't a result of two letters looking the same visually.

-- 
void main () {

    call functional_code()
  else
    call crash_windows();
}


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From: Slime
Subject: Re: Editor behavior Win 3.6.1
Date: 16 Oct 2004 15:58:26
Message: <41717d62@news.povray.org>
> This is pure nonsense.

The logical conclusion being that it was a joke. =)

 - Slime
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From: =Bob=
Subject: Re: Editor behavior Win 3.6.1
Date: 16 Oct 2004 16:02:15
Message: <41717e47$1@news.povray.org>
"Slime" <fak### [at] emailaddress> wrote in message news:41717d62@news.povray.org...
: > This is pure nonsense.
: The logical conclusion being that it was a joke. =)

Daniel's response that is, not the editor's behavior :^)
=Bob=


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From: Alf Peake
Subject: Re: Editor behavior Win 3.6.1
Date: 16 Oct 2004 17:12:39
Message: <41718ec7@news.povray.org>
"Patrick Elliott" <sha### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
news:MPG.1bdb15525befc872989bee@news.povray.org...
> In article <200### [at] dh286pemcamacuk>,
> pho### [at] isticorg says...
>> > now change a character: the letter 'd' by moving the caret in 
>> > front of
>> > the letter 'd' then press the delete key then press the letter 
>> > 'g'
>> ...
>> > Now delete the 'd' again then press the letter 'q' and now the 
>> > "Save"
>> > button is inactive, but it should be active.
>> Obviously this problem is because the letter q looks quite like a 
>> g, so
>> when the editor quickly scans the text to see if it has changed, it
>> doesn't notice that there is a q there instead of a g. Changing it 
>> to a
>> x or something as distinctive should work.
>>
> Gee.. That is amazing, I didn't know the editor for POVRay had a OCR
> system built in... This is pure nonsense.

Well... yes, of course. Everyone knows each letter is made up of 
itsy-bitsy dots. The editor uses Braille - BCR ;)

Alf


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Editor behavior Win 3.6.1
Date: 18 Oct 2004 05:59:37
Message: <41739409@news.povray.org>
Patrick Elliott <sha### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> This is pure nonsense.

  Some people seem to lack sense of humour...

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#macro M(A,N,D,L)plane{-z,-9pigment{mandel L*9translate N color_map{[0rgb x]
[1rgb 9]}scale<D,D*3D>*1e3}rotate y*A*8}#end M(-3<1.206434.28623>70,7)M(
-1<.7438.1795>1,20)M(1<.77595.13699>30,20)M(3<.75923.07145>80,99)// - Warp -


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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: Editor behavior Win 3.6.1
Date: 18 Oct 2004 16:51:51
Message: <MPG.1bddda97a310c7b6989bf0@news.povray.org>
In article <41739409@news.povray.org>, war### [at] tagpovrayorg says...
> Patrick Elliott <sha### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> > This is pure nonsense.
> 
>   Some people seem to lack sense of humour...
> 
> 
Well.. As soon as you manage to find a way to convey an intent to be 
humorous through plain text....

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void main () {

    call functional_code()
  else
    call crash_windows();
}


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From: Daniel Hulme
Subject: Re: Editor behavior Win 3.6.1
Date: 18 Oct 2004 20:07:51
Message: <20041019010751.78e4a509@dh286.pem.cam.ac.uk>
> Well.. As soon as you manage to find a way to convey an intent to be 
> humorous through plain text....
Well, I thought that making such a plainly nonsensical comment was a bit
of a clue. If you've been paying sufficient attention, you know I'm a
Computer Science student, thus unlikely to really believe that what I
said is true.

I used to have a problem making jokes like that, because I didn't like
people believing that I'm stupid. I suppose I must have mellowed a bit,
because I make the 'how stupid is this opinion' joke quite frequently
now. I still find it hard to get the proper balance between plausibility
and jokiness, but I think in this case I got it exactly right. I wasn't
meaning to take the mick out of you, but if one person takes it
seriously and everyone else realises it's a joke, I think that means the
joke had the right amount of subtlety. I suppose it's a bit like a
well-constructed troll, which will be subtle enough that everybody but
one will realise that it's not a serious opinion, and the one who is so
outraged they feel they need to comment ends up with egg on their face
(in the case of a troll, probably looking as if they don't know what
they're talking about as well).

Perhaps it is a bad sign that there are still enough stupid (or
non-computer-literate) people that one might accept that someone
actually believes something so stupid; maybe it is a good sign that the
so-called experts are expert enough to realise implausibility when they
see it. In either case, any interpretation is after the fact and my
little joke was always intended to be just that.

Grinning to himself,
Daniel

-- 
A most peculiar man    With the windows closed      And Mrs Reardon says
He died last Saturday  So he'd never wake up  He has a brother somewhere
He turned on the gas   To his silent world   Who should be notified soon
And he went to sleep   And his tiny room    .oO( http://sad.istic.org/ )


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