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Hi Theo,
sorry for delay. I decided to spent my vacation on the sea instead rendering
the IRTC entry :).
> In one sentece: Scenes which need only very short rendering (30 Seconds)
may
> not be the best candidates for SMPOV and Hyperthreading.
I can confirm that. Here are numbers for 'optics.pov' at 1024x768 AA 0.1:
Prozessoren: 2
CPU 1 Speed: 3354 Mhz.
CPU 2 Speed: 3354 Mhz. ( I dont know why, because all other in machine
recognizes original 3006 Mhz)
optics.pov rendered in 1024x768 in 2 Tiles (V) from 08-30-2003 / 22:44:59 to
08-30-2003 / 23:32:53 (2875).
Single instance od POV need 3321 seconds. POV and scene already loaded.
> Your numbers:
> 38 Second - 29 Seconds = 9 Seconds diffrence. How long does it take for
your
> POV-Ray to load?
about few seconds...
> Did you include the "loading time" while measuring the 29 Seconds?
No.
> Maybe in that case POV-Ray was already loaded and shurely even the file.
Yes.
>
Anto
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Hi Anto,
I hope your holiday was ok!
Your numbers show that under equal circumstances:
> optics.pov rendered in 1024x768 in 2 Tiles (V) from 08-30-2003 / 22:44:59
to
> 08-30-2003 / 23:32:53 (2875).
>
> Single instance od POV need 3321 seconds. POV and scene already loaded.
You get a small timewin of around 24% including the loading times etc..
Thats what you can get using hyperthreading.
As we know now, its not so intresting for pictures which render only few
seconds.
--Theo
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"Anto Matkovic" <ant### [at] matkovic com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3f516fcc@news.povray.org...
> Hi Theo,
> sorry for delay. I decided to spent my vacation on the sea instead
rendering
> the IRTC entry :).
>
> > In one sentece: Scenes which need only very short rendering (30 Seconds)
> may
> > not be the best candidates for SMPOV and Hyperthreading.
>
> I can confirm that. Here are numbers for 'optics.pov' at 1024x768 AA 0.1:
> Prozessoren: 2
> CPU 1 Speed: 3354 Mhz.
> CPU 2 Speed: 3354 Mhz. ( I dont know why, because all other in machine
> recognizes original 3006 Mhz)
>
> optics.pov rendered in 1024x768 in 2 Tiles (V) from 08-30-2003 / 22:44:59
to
> 08-30-2003 / 23:32:53 (2875).
>
> Single instance od POV need 3321 seconds. POV and scene already loaded.
>
> > Your numbers:
> > 38 Second - 29 Seconds = 9 Seconds diffrence. How long does it take for
> your
> > POV-Ray to load?
> about few seconds...
>
> > Did you include the "loading time" while measuring the 29 Seconds?
> No.
>
> > Maybe in that case POV-Ray was already loaded and shurely even the file.
> Yes.
> >
>
> Anto
>
>
>
>
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"Theo Gottwald *" <The### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> Hi Anto,
>
> Here are my numbers:
>
> skyvase.pov rendered in 1024x768 in 1 Tiles (-) from 08-23-2003 / 11:53:28
> to 08-23-2003 / 11:54:15 (47).
>
> skyvase.pov rendered in 1024x768 in 2 Tiles (H) from 08-23-2003 / 11:54:22
> to 08-23-2003 / 11:54:58 (36).
>
> skyvase.pov rendered in 1024x768 in 2 Tiles (V) from 08-23-2003 / 11:55:04
> to 08-23-2003 / 11:55:52 (48).
>
> skyvase.pov rendered in 1024x768 in 4 Tiles (H) from 08-23-2003 / 11:56:10
> to 08-23-2003 / 11:57:02 (52).
>
> However - all rendered locally with my 2 CPU's. You see the Overhead when I
> make 4 tiles makes it even slower then when I render this in 1 tile.
>
> In one sentece: Scenes which need only very short rendering (30 Seconds) may
> not be the best candidates for SMPOV and Hyperthreading. I have counted that
> even before the second instance starts up, 4 Seconds are gone.
>
> Your numbers:
> 38 Second - 29 Seconds = 9 Seconds diffrence. How long does it take for your
> POV-Ray to load?
>
> Remeber we load two instances of POV-Ray. Secondly they start up and load
> the POV-File.
>
> Did you include the "loading time" while measuring the 29 Seconds?
> Maybe in that case POV-Ray was already loaded and shurely even the file.
>
>
> Secondly Pictures which need more time to pre-process then actual render
> time
> maybe not the best candidates for "Tiling" in Hyperthreading Systems. (=
> rendering them in pieces).
> (General statement)
> The point is that we start 2 instances of POV-Ray and EACH does the full
> Preprocessing.
>
> If you would have a time win of 20% for using the Hyperthreading, you have a
> loose
> for doing the Pre-Processing two times. I have no idea if "preprocessing"
> can be "hyperthreaded" or not.
> On my Dual-Athlon i've found that Preprocessing produces nearly no CPU-usage
> (I used PartixGen - very intresting and fully distributable) - so I would
> say give it a try.
>
> With real SMP-Systems (my Athlon here) the situation is diffrent.
>
> 2. SMPOV and the Renderagent need also some calculation- and reaction time.
> They are primarily made for pictures which need long time to render so
> the "builtin reaction-times" are rather slow to save CPU-time.
> Reaction time is, between SMPOV giving the Orders for Rendering out till
> the RenderAgents react.
> Secondly till they notice that POV-Ray is ready. Then thirdly SMPOV has to
> get a message that all
> the tiles are ready. And fourth it has to start PicPender.exe to "put al
> lthe tiles together".
> There are several reaction times that may add up to 5 Seconds. Add your
> loading times and some
> time for "Preprocessing"
>
> 3. Two instances of POV-Ray are started. (=Loading time for POV-Ray).
>
> 4. To find out where the times are, you can render it with SMPOV, make the
> "Tiling" on 1
> (so there will be only 1 instance started). Then make a second try (tling
> on 2) - try "H" and "V"
> there are diffrences. Then you have numbers in the log-file. These
> numbers include some overhead,
> but at least you are shure the settings are really the same for all runs.
>
> Keep me informed if you make a second try.
>
> --Theo
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Distributed Network-Rendering or Local SMP-Rendering. With SMPOV and
> POV-Ray 3.5. * Download free at: http://www.it-berater.org/smpov.htm
I tried that, but I can't seem to get SMPov to run good on my P4 with HT, he
still only renders on one of the two virtual CPU's.
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