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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: QTVR panoramas: conclusion and examples
Date: 5 Jul 2003 16:40:29
Message: <3f0737bd@news.povray.org>

spherical panoramas.

"Family" image
Quicktime version
http://www.oyonale.com/ldc/english/family_day_qt.htm
Java applet (PTViewer) version
http://www.oyonale.com/ldc/english/family_day_jv.htm
Both pages are 650 kb. I'm sorry for the size but smaller ones and higher
compression don't do justice to the image.

Another panorama image is a view of the International Space Station. I found
a very nice POV-Ray model of it and thought I'd give it a try. I added it to
the "Reach for the stars" museum section.
http://www.oyonale.com/iss/english/museum_08.htm
The page shows a static image and there are links to the QT and PTViewer
panorama versions (around 200 kb each).

I've only tested this with IE6 under XP so if you have problems with other
browsers and OS let me know.

The PTViewer applet is part of the Panotools suite and can be downloaded
here
http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch
QT is slightly faster than the applet for rotating and zooming, at least for
the large panoramas. Also, as the 6 panes are loaded progressively, you can
start enjoying it before it's fully loaded. The main drawback is that it
requires QT 5 or higher installed.
The applet is probably more cross-platform and depends on Java 1.04.


angle) to QTVR was a little tricky. Most people used to do it with the
"developer's code" utilities provided by Apple (MakeVRPano, GoCubic) but
these utilities are barely functional with more recent systems or
configurations and Apple removed them from its QTVR utility page. You can
Google them up to find them on some personal websites and see if they work
with your system.

The alternate solution I used here requires 2 free utilities (Windows only)
: one is Panocube http://www.panoshow.com/panocube.htm and PTStitcher from
the Panotools suite above. It's quirky (Panocube must be installed in a
directory without spaces in its name...) but it does the job, and I haven't
come across a better (free) way to create spherical/cubic QTVRs with Windows
For PTViewer, no conversion is required as it reads a JPEG. There's a
version supposed to work with QTVR but it didn't work for me.

G.


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From: Dennis Miller
Subject: Re: QTVR panoramas: conclusion and examples
Date: 5 Jul 2003 16:53:50
Message: <3f073ade$1@news.povray.org>
Hi.Family Day is fantastic and works fine on Win 98 SE (QT version). Do you
have time to explain with some detail how you created these, from the POV
scene to the final viewing stage? That would be a huge help...
Thanks very much,
Dennis


"Gilles Tran" <git### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3f0737bd@news.povray.org...
> After following some of the advice I was given here, I made a couple of

> spherical panoramas.
>
> "Family" image
> Quicktime version
> http://www.oyonale.com/ldc/english/family_day_qt.htm
> Java applet (PTViewer) version
> http://www.oyonale.com/ldc/english/family_day_jv.htm
> Both pages are 650 kb. I'm sorry for the size but smaller ones and higher
> compression don't do justice to the image.
>
> Another panorama image is a view of the International Space Station. I
found
> a very nice POV-Ray model of it and thought I'd give it a try. I added it
to
> the "Reach for the stars" museum section.
> http://www.oyonale.com/iss/english/museum_08.htm
> The page shows a static image and there are links to the QT and PTViewer
> panorama versions (around 200 kb each).
>
> I've only tested this with IE6 under XP so if you have problems with other
> browsers and OS let me know.
>
> The PTViewer applet is part of the Panotools suite and can be downloaded
> here
> http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch
> QT is slightly faster than the applet for rotating and zooming, at least
for
> the large panoramas. Also, as the 6 panes are loaded progressively, you
can
> start enjoying it before it's fully loaded. The main drawback is that it
> requires QT 5 or higher installed.
> The applet is probably more cross-platform and depends on Java 1.04.
>

> angle) to QTVR was a little tricky. Most people used to do it with the
> "developer's code" utilities provided by Apple (MakeVRPano, GoCubic) but
> these utilities are barely functional with more recent systems or
> configurations and Apple removed them from its QTVR utility page. You can
> Google them up to find them on some personal websites and see if they work
> with your system.
>
> The alternate solution I used here requires 2 free utilities (Windows
only)
> : one is Panocube http://www.panoshow.com/panocube.htm and PTStitcher from
> the Panotools suite above. It's quirky (Panocube must be installed in a
> directory without spaces in its name...) but it does the job, and I
haven't
> come across a better (free) way to create spherical/cubic QTVRs with
Windows
> For PTViewer, no conversion is required as it reads a JPEG. There's a
> version supposed to work with QTVR but it didn't work for me.
>
> G.
>
>
> --
> **********************
> http://www.oyonale.com
> **********************
> - Graphic experiments
> - POV-Ray and Poser computer images
> - Posters
>
>
>


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From: Tim Nikias v2 0
Subject: Re: QTVR panoramas: conclusion and examples
Date: 5 Jul 2003 17:14:46
Message: <3f073fc6$1@news.povray.org>
How did you get the car up to the ISS? And why the trouble
of sending it up there?

But nice to see Family in 360, though there's really
only one thing to focus on. Its like with Radiosity: You've
got to design some images keeping some things in
mind (like radiosity, 360 degree view, mirrors etc)

Regards,
Tim

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> After following some of the advice I was given here, I made a couple of

> spherical panoramas.
>
> "Family" image
> Quicktime version
> http://www.oyonale.com/ldc/english/family_day_qt.htm
> Java applet (PTViewer) version
> http://www.oyonale.com/ldc/english/family_day_jv.htm
> Both pages are 650 kb. I'm sorry for the size but smaller ones and higher
> compression don't do justice to the image.
>
> Another panorama image is a view of the International Space Station. I
found
> a very nice POV-Ray model of it and thought I'd give it a try. I added it
to
> the "Reach for the stars" museum section.
> http://www.oyonale.com/iss/english/museum_08.htm
> The page shows a static image and there are links to the QT and PTViewer
> panorama versions (around 200 kb each).
>
> I've only tested this with IE6 under XP so if you have problems with other
> browsers and OS let me know.
>
> The PTViewer applet is part of the Panotools suite and can be downloaded
> here
> http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch
> QT is slightly faster than the applet for rotating and zooming, at least
for
> the large panoramas. Also, as the 6 panes are loaded progressively, you
can
> start enjoying it before it's fully loaded. The main drawback is that it
> requires QT 5 or higher installed.
> The applet is probably more cross-platform and depends on Java 1.04.
>

> angle) to QTVR was a little tricky. Most people used to do it with the
> "developer's code" utilities provided by Apple (MakeVRPano, GoCubic) but
> these utilities are barely functional with more recent systems or
> configurations and Apple removed them from its QTVR utility page. You can
> Google them up to find them on some personal websites and see if they work
> with your system.
>
> The alternate solution I used here requires 2 free utilities (Windows
only)
> : one is Panocube http://www.panoshow.com/panocube.htm and PTStitcher from
> the Panotools suite above. It's quirky (Panocube must be installed in a
> directory without spaces in its name...) but it does the job, and I
haven't
> come across a better (free) way to create spherical/cubic QTVRs with
Windows
> For PTViewer, no conversion is required as it reads a JPEG. There's a
> version supposed to work with QTVR but it didn't work for me.
>
> G.
>
>
> --
> **********************
> http://www.oyonale.com
> **********************
> - Graphic experiments
> - POV-Ray and Poser computer images
> - Posters
>
>
>


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From: St 
Subject: Re: QTVR panoramas: conclusion and examples
Date: 5 Jul 2003 17:24:20
Message: <3f074204@news.povray.org>
"Gilles Tran" <git### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in message
news:3f0737bd@news.povray.org...

  Gilles... Family_Day is just amazing to me. Nice one. Panned around
it ok in IE6 using Java, but a little jittery.

  ~Steve~


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From: Tom Galvin
Subject: Re: QTVR panoramas: conclusion and examples
Date: 5 Jul 2003 18:49:33
Message: <Xns93AFBF6198E98tomatimporg@204.213.191.226>
"Gilles Tran" <git### [at] wanadoofr> wrote in
news:3f0737bd@news.povray.org: 

> After following some of the advice I was given here, I made a couple

> 

There you go raising the bar again!!!  Excellent work.


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: QTVR panoramas: conclusion and examples
Date: 5 Jul 2003 19:38:31
Message: <3f076177$1@news.povray.org>
Program ended abnormally on 2003-07-05 16:40, Due to a catastrophic
Gilles Tran error:
> 
> I've only tested this with IE6 under XP so if you have problems with other
> browsers and OS let me know.
> 

Win98SE.
Netscape 7.1
Quicktime 6.

No problems whatsoever.  Except maybe, reattaching my lower jaw.


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From: Txemi Jendrix
Subject: RE: QTVR panoramas: conclusion and examples
Date: 5 Jul 2003 21:46:02
Message: <3f077f5a@news.povray.org>
Fantastic work, I'm really impressed (and also very interested in a deeper
explanation of the process if it's possible, as Dennis said).
Worked fine with W98SE, IE 5.5, java version.
Now I'm going to download some tools
Thanks for the links.
Bye

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com


3f0737bd@news.povray.org...
> After following some of the advice I was given here, I made a couple of

> spherical panoramas.
>
> "Family" image
> Quicktime version
> http://www.oyonale.com/ldc/english/family_day_qt.htm
> Java applet (PTViewer) version
> http://www.oyonale.com/ldc/english/family_day_jv.htm
> Both pages are 650 kb. I'm sorry for the size but smaller ones and higher
> compression don't do justice to the image.
>
> Another panorama image is a view of the International Space Station. I
found
> a very nice POV-Ray model of it and thought I'd give it a try. I added it
to
> the "Reach for the stars" museum section.
> http://www.oyonale.com/iss/english/museum_08.htm
> The page shows a static image and there are links to the QT and PTViewer
> panorama versions (around 200 kb each).
>
> I've only tested this with IE6 under XP so if you have problems with other
> browsers and OS let me know.
>
> The PTViewer applet is part of the Panotools suite and can be downloaded
> here
> http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch
> QT is slightly faster than the applet for rotating and zooming, at least
for
> the large panoramas. Also, as the 6 panes are loaded progressively, you
can
> start enjoying it before it's fully loaded. The main drawback is that it
> requires QT 5 or higher installed.
> The applet is probably more cross-platform and depends on Java 1.04.
>

> angle) to QTVR was a little tricky. Most people used to do it with the
> "developer's code" utilities provided by Apple (MakeVRPano, GoCubic) but
> these utilities are barely functional with more recent systems or
> configurations and Apple removed them from its QTVR utility page. You can
> Google them up to find them on some personal websites and see if they work
> with your system.
>
> The alternate solution I used here requires 2 free utilities (Windows
only)
> : one is Panocube http://www.panoshow.com/panocube.htm and PTStitcher from
> the Panotools suite above. It's quirky (Panocube must be installed in a
> directory without spaces in its name...) but it does the job, and I
haven't
> come across a better (free) way to create spherical/cubic QTVRs with
Windows
> For PTViewer, no conversion is required as it reads a JPEG. There's a
> version supposed to work with QTVR but it didn't work for me.
>
> G.
>
>
> --
> **********************
> http://www.oyonale.com
> **********************
> - Graphic experiments
> - POV-Ray and Poser computer images
> - Posters
>
>
>


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From: Martin Crisp
Subject: Re: QTVR panoramas: conclusion and examples
Date: 6 Jul 2003 02:12:44
Message: <0001HW.BB2DFB3A06CA4134F0284600@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 6:40:15 +1000, Gilles Tran wrote
(in message <3f0737bd@news.povray.org>):

> "Family" image

Staggering :-)


> Quicktime version
> http://www.oyonale.com/ldc/english/family_day_qt.htm
> Java applet (PTViewer) version
> http://www.oyonale.com/ldc/english/family_day_jv.htm
> Both pages are 650 kb. I'm sorry for the size but smaller ones and higher
> compression don't do justice to the image.

[...]

> I've only tested this with IE6 under XP so if you have problems with other
> browsers and OS let me know.

Safari 1.0 under Mac OS X 10.2.6
quicktime version  - no problems
java - browser crashed immediately [I'd place the blame on the 
browser :-)]

Mozilla 1.2.1:
Java loaded OK, but needed a click to go beyond the 100% complete 
message. Much slower than the QT version [which is to be expected, 
I guess]

Trying to load both the QT & Java in Mozilla gave me an apparent 
lock-up, but the QT looked to be loading just fine.

[snip]

Have Fun
Martin


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: QTVR panoramas: conclusion and examples
Date: 6 Jul 2003 02:23:53
Message: <3f07c079$1@news.povray.org>
In article <3f0737bd@news.povray.org> , "Gilles Tran" <git### [at] wanadoofr> 
wrote:


> spherical panoramas.
>
> "Family" image
> Quicktime version
> http://www.oyonale.com/ldc/english/family_day_qt.htm

Great!  Is there a chance that you will post a even more detailed high res
version so one can zoom in and look at all the details?

    Thorsten

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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: QTVR panoramas: conclusion and examples
Date: 6 Jul 2003 05:03:13
Message: <3f07e5d1@news.povray.org>

news: 0001HW.BB2DFB3A06CA4134F0284600@news.povray.org...
> Staggering :-)
Thanks!

> Safari 1.0 under Mac OS X 10.2.6
> quicktime version  - no problems
> java - browser crashed immediately [I'd place the blame on the
> browser :-)]
>
> Mozilla 1.2.1:
> Java loaded OK, but needed a click to go beyond the 100% complete
> message. Much slower than the QT version [which is to be expected,
> I guess]
>
> Trying to load both the QT & Java in Mozilla gave me an apparent
> lock-up, but the QT looked to be loading just fine.

Thanks for testing! This basically confirms what I thought from previous
experiences with Java, which is that while the applet version may be more
cross platform, allowing people without QT to see the image, it is also more
prone to problems... I guess I'll have to continue with both versions then.

G.

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