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From: Jan Walzer
Subject: Re: Referencing povray in journals
Date: 11 Apr 2002 10:38:31
Message: <3cb59fe7@news.povray.org>
I had a similar problem, when I did a paper for my translation-studies ...

We had to translate a text (english->german), and I decided to take a part
of the POV-Ray Doc (3.1g) ...

But as it is common, to give some resources, where the original text could
be obtained, I had to rely on, that the link to the PDF I used, does not
change in the next 2 years ...

I think there is still a bunch out there, where "INTERNET" is not so well
known, and where it is uncommon, to give a resource that is not like

"Author, Book: Vendor, Year, ISBN: pages"

I had to do some really strange discussions to tell them, that:
  "THERE IS NO PRINTED VERSION !"


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From: Tom Melly
Subject: Re: Referencing povray in journals
Date: 11 Apr 2002 10:46:52
Message: <3cb5a1dc$1@news.povray.org>
"Jan Walzer" <jan### [at] lzernet> wrote in message news:3cb59fe7@news.povray.org...

> "Author, Book: Vendor, Year, ISBN: pages"
>
> I had to do some really strange discussions to tell them, that:
>   "THERE IS NO PRINTED VERSION !"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=url+citation&btnG=Google+Search


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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: Referencing povray in journals
Date: 11 Apr 2002 10:48:22
Message: <3cb5a236@news.povray.org>

news: 3cb522c5@news.povray.org...
> I often receive requests from academic folks as to how POV-Ray
> should be referenced in scientific papers, journals, etc.

For what it's worth, SAS, the famous statistical package, is referenced in
peer-reviewed papers the following way :

SAS Institute, 1988. SAS/STAT User's Guide. SAS Institute Inc., Cary, NC

So POV-Ray could be referenced as follows :

POV-Team, 2002. Persistence of Vision (TM) Ray Tracer. POV-Team,
Williamston, Australia.

G.

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From: Jan Walzer
Subject: Re: Referencing povray in journals
Date: 11 Apr 2002 10:59:19
Message: <3cb5a4c7@news.povray.org>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=url+citation&btnG=Google+Search

"They" wouldn't know what to do with this link ...

Indeed, they wouldn't even recognize this as a link, if it wasn't blue
and underlined

...

Yes, I understood, that you wanted ME, to read this ... but as I have finished this
course now, there's no further problem in this ...


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From: Sir Charles W  Shults III
Subject: Re: Referencing povray in journals
Date: 11 Apr 2002 11:17:48
Message: <3cb5a91c$1@news.povray.org>
I often supply a printed sheet when I give a talk, listing all the links to
the references that are not on paper.  At one talk, I actually passed out
floppies with the links and information, just to make things easy.  For smaller
groups (under a hundred), you will not lose any expenses really, since even a
small honorarium covers it nicely.

Cheers!

Chip Shults
My robotics, space and CGI web page - http://home.cfl.rr.com/aichip

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From: Harold Baize
Subject: Re: Referencing povray in journals
Date: 11 Apr 2002 13:24:06
Message: <3cb5c6b6$1@news.povray.org>
If you are in Psychology or related social sciences you would follow
the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association.
Based on the most recent version (5th edition) I would make the
following reference in an article for an APA journal:

POV-Ray Team. (2002) Persistence of Vision Ray-Trayer (Version 3.5)
[Computer software].
   Retrieved from http://www.povray.org/binaries/index.html.


Harolddd



"Chris Cason" <new### [at] deletethispovrayorg> wrote in message
news:3cb522c5@news.povray.org...
> I often receive requests from academic folks as to how POV-Ray
> should be referenced in scientific papers, journals, etc.
>
> I normally just tell them to reference the web site, but I'm
> wondering if there is a better response.
>
> I'd like feeedback from users, particularly those in positions
> that require them to write such references from time to time,
> as to what would be a better answer to these questions.
>
> thanks,
>
> -- Chris
>
>


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From: Harold Baize
Subject: Re: Referencing povray in journals
Date: 11 Apr 2002 13:51:53
Message: <3cb5cd39@news.povray.org>
Actually, before sending to the journal I would correct the
typo ;-)

POV-Ray Team. (2002) Persistence of Vision Ray-Tracer (Version 3.5)
[Computer software]. Retrieved from
http://www.povray.org/binaries/index.html.

There is some issue with whether to reference a physical location. The
"Team" does not
have a physical location, so I would go with the format that APA describes
for
software available on a university web site, which cites the web address.
Although,
it is confusing because when POV is launched the splash screen cites a
copyright
to Cris Carson, and the POV Legal statement does reference a physical
address
in Australia. If you consider the copyright statement then it ought to be
attributed to
Carson, as such:

Carson, C. (2002). Persistence of Vision Ray-Tracer (Version 3.5) [Computer
software]. POV-Ray Team. Victoria, Australia.

"Harold Baize" <bai### [at] itsaucsfedu> wrote in message
news:3cb5c6b6$1@news.povray.org...
>
> If you are in Psychology or related social sciences you would follow
> the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association.
> Based on the most recent version (5th edition) I would make the
> following reference in an article for an APA journal:
>
> POV-Ray Team. (2002) Persistence of Vision Ray-Trayer (Version 3.5)
> [Computer software].
>    Retrieved from http://www.povray.org/binaries/index.html.
>
>
> Harolddd
>
>
>
> "Chris Cason" <new### [at] deletethispovrayorg> wrote in message
> news:3cb522c5@news.povray.org...
> > I often receive requests from academic folks as to how POV-Ray
> > should be referenced in scientific papers, journals, etc.
> >
> > I normally just tell them to reference the web site, but I'm
> > wondering if there is a better response.
> >
> > I'd like feeedback from users, particularly those in positions
> > that require them to write such references from time to time,
> > as to what would be a better answer to these questions.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > -- Chris
> >
> >
>
>


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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: Referencing povray in journals
Date: 11 Apr 2002 13:52:42
Message: <3CB5CE60.B93B2A65@hotmail.com>
This is tangential to what you brought up.  Some organic chemists
did a paper on some kind of polymer formation, in which they used
POV-Ray, someone's tesselation code, and one of my macros.  I'm cited
in a footnote.

Ego go boom!
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From: Alan Kong
Subject: Re: Referencing povray in journals
Date: 11 Apr 2002 14:34:32
Message: <belbbu8ntdfq87n3959t1ncm8ee7cpvqd9@4ax.com>
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:53:20 -0700 Harold Baize wrote:

<snip..>
>to Cris Carson
<snip..>

  p-s-s-s-s-t... <whispering> it's 'Chris Cason'.
                                    .^... ..^.. :)

  Thanks for your input, Harold, and the feedback from others, also. It
helps.

-- 
Alan
ako### [at] povrayorg
a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g


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From: Harold Baize
Subject: Re: Referencing povray in journals
Date: 11 Apr 2002 15:02:11
Message: <3cb5ddb3@news.povray.org>
Damn, another typo. No wonder I rarely publish!

HB
"Alan Kong" <ako### [at] povrayWWWSPAMCOMorg> wrote in message
news:belbbu8ntdfq87n3959t1ncm8ee7cpvqd9@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:53:20 -0700 Harold Baize wrote:
>
> <snip..>
> >to Cris Carson
> <snip..>
>
>   p-s-s-s-s-t... <whispering> it's 'Chris Cason'.
>                                     .^... ..^.. :)
>
>   Thanks for your input, Harold, and the feedback from others, also. It
> helps.
>
> --
> Alan
> ako### [at] povrayorg
> a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g
>


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