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> It is possible that they are software pirates?
Even software pirates do not try to sell freeware.
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David Fontaine wrote:
> I replied and told them to remove the image, that I don't want their
> stupid service, and that I found much of their solicitating email in
> poor taste.
All you accomplished by doing that is confirming for them that they
have found an active e-mail address. The will never stop sending you
spam now.
--
Ken Tyler
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Chris Cason wrote:
>
> Co-incidentally, I just received an email from a user who purchased this CD
> from a seller called 'cyberspy.tv' on ebay (who seems to have a habit of
> selling this sort of thing). Same story; he expected a commercial product
> and was surprised to find out he'd 'purchased' (for $7.99) a free program.
>
> Sigh.
My first copy of POV-Ray v3.01 came from a $12 shareware CD. I was happy
to pay it :)
--
Ken Tyler
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Ken wrote:
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> > I replied and told them to remove the image, that I don't want their
> > stupid service, and that I found much of their solicitating email in
> > poor taste.
>
> All you accomplished by doing that is confirming for them that they
> have found an active e-mail address. The will never stop sending you
> spam now.
Yeah, well, if it gets too bad the faricy.net server-side spam filters
should get it.
--
David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricy net> ICQ 55354965
My raytracing gallery: http://davidf.faricy.net/
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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: License Violation: 3D Render Studio 2000
Date: 14 Aug 2001 03:53:05
Message: <3b78d8e1@news.povray.org>
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> 21,523 bytes as opposed to the 18,554 bytes for their copy. Is the file
> intact? Is the manual's reference to the news group and povlegal
> intact?
>
> 17/10/98 2:00 18,554 povlegal.doc
It's the v3.01 POVLEGAL.
-- Chris
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"Chris Cason" <newsadmin@-despam-povray.org> wrote in message
news:3b77bf6d@news.povray.org...
> Thanks for the report.
>
> As Thorsten pointed out, we are aware of this situation. I in fact even
> have a copy of the very CD here in my bookshelf, having swapped it for a
> copy of the IRTC CDROM with a chap who reported it to me earlier this year.
>
> We have been unable to find Wingear. I have a strong suspicion that they
> don't want to be found ...
>
Maybe the following can produce some sor of lead ....
A web search for Wingear products produces a long list of many, many
discount sellers. It looks very much like Wingear is out of buisness and
these sellers have picked up 'remaindered' CDs. Companies all over the
U.S., Europe, etc. can be found selling Wingear CDs.
It's not just the graphics CD - I found one list of Wingear products
comprising approx. 40 different titles.
The State of Florida Secretary of State's office has a web page that
can be searched for any number of businesses - corps, partnerships,
single proprietors, etc. (and those companies active and inactive that
owe debts). Wingear is not to be found there.
Wingear does appear to have a P.O. Box in Boca Raton, Fla. US
and a phone number. Have no idea if these are good.
PO Box 273362
Boca Raton, FL 33427
US
954-750-8880
The local post office will release the name of the renter of that box.
required by US federal law for boxes rented by businesses.
HOWEVER - since the current wingear.com is now a porno site, it is
very likely someone picked up the domain name (or bought it) from
Wingear Publishing.
sysgo.com provides dns for the current wingear.com
They may know something about Wingear Publishing, or it may be a
lead to what happened to them.
Oh - sysgo IS wingear
same PO Box, address and phone number
the contact for the websites is given as clk### [at] mindspringcom
I believe Wingear is very probably out of business and the
current owners of wingear.com are unrelated parties.
The current wingear and sysgo domains were assigned their netblocks by
DIAMOND NET INC
11 NW 20th ST
Boca Raton, Fl 33431
US
contact: Mark McConnell 561-392-1981
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> > I replied and told them to remove the image, that I don't want their
> > stupid service, and that I found much of their solicitating email in
> > poor taste.
>
> All you accomplished by doing that is confirming for them that they
> have found an active e-mail address. The will never stop sending you
> spam now.
Not necessarily. Someone on CNET conducted an experiment recently
which apparently showed that replying to the opt-out messages isn't as
risky as one might think:
http://www.cnet.com/software/0-3227888-8-6602372-5.html?tag=st.sw.3227888-8-6602372-1.txt.3227888-8-6602372-5
In the past I've never replied to spam myself but after reading the
above page I'm beginning to change my mind. It actually seems to work
sometimes.
--
Ole Laursen
http://sunsite.dk/olau/
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From: Rick [Kitty5]
Subject: Re: License Violation: 3D Render Studio 2000
Date: 14 Aug 2001 06:26:30
Message: <3b78fcd6@news.povray.org>
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> My first copy of POV-Ray v3.01 came from a $12 shareware CD. I was happy
> to pay it :)
My first pov was on a shareware floppy at a wholesome 25p :)
--
Rick
Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com
Hi-Impact database driven web site design & e-commerce
TEL : +44 (01625) 266358 - FAX : +44 (01625) 611913 - ICQ : 15776037
POV-Ray News & Resources - http://Povray.co.uk
PGP Public Key
http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x231E1CEA
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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: License Violation: 3D Render Studio 2000
Date: 14 Aug 2001 10:48:16
Message: <3b793a30@news.povray.org>
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> A web search for Wingear products produces a long list of many, many
> discount sellers. It looks very much like Wingear is out of buisness and
> these sellers have picked up 'remaindered' CDs. Companies all over the
> U.S., Europe, etc. can be found selling Wingear CDs.
This is indeed possible.
> It's not just the graphics CD - I found one list of Wingear products
> comprising approx. 40 different titles.
Yeah, they are fairly prolific. Comments I have seen using google news
search indicate that they seem to have the habit of throwing together
freely-available resources and selling them as a 'suite' of some sort.
> Wingear does appear to have a P.O. Box in Boca Raton, Fla. US
> and a phone number. Have no idea if these are good.
Where'd you get this info from ? I never came across a PO box so you're
one up on me.
> HOWEVER - since the current wingear.com is now a porno site, it is
> very likely someone picked up the domain name (or bought it) from
> Wingear Publishing.
That's assuming that wingear ever owned the domain (or that they had a web
site). Who knows, maybe they even wanted the cash from the porno ads ;)
> Oh - sysgo IS wingear
>
> same PO Box, address and phone number
ah, very interesting ...
> I believe Wingear is very probably out of business and the
> current owners of wingear.com are unrelated parties.
Or that WinGear never existed, as such, and was just a front for sysgo. Note
that the cover of the CD-ROM states 'copyright 2000/2001 WinGear Publishing'.
This is not an old CD !
FWIW, I noticed that on the CD, it claims that '3d render studio 2000 and
the Wingear logo are registered trade marks of WinGear Publishing'.
To claim something is a registered trade mark when it is not is, I believe,
an offense under US law, so I checked the USPTO site for a registration for
the product name (no go) or anything else registered to a firm called 'WinGear'
(no go). However, I am not 100% familiar with their search tool so don't take
that as a statement that there is no such registration; just that I couldn't
find one (or that all of their marks expired - hardly likely given the date
of the CD).
Note that getting a RTM is expensive (I think at least US$2000), and it doesn't
make a lot of sense for a CD that they sell for maybe US$4.50 ...
-- Chris
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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: License Violation: 3D Render Studio 2000
Date: 14 Aug 2001 11:04:00
Message: <3b793de0@news.povray.org>
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> Wingear does appear to have a P.O. Box in Boca Raton, Fla. US
> and a phone number. Have no idea if these are good.
>
> PO Box 273362
> Boca Raton, FL 33427
> US
> 954-750-8880
BTW if this is just taken from the WHOIS record, please ignore my
request for where you got it from :). I was already aware of the
whois record, but chose to ignore it because there was no clear
connection between the name 'wingear.com' and 'wingear publishing'.
There are porno operators out there who have a habit of snapping up
domain names of popular product keywords, even if they have no
relationship to them.
-- Chris
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