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From: Zilvah
Subject: Re: Tutorial collection
Date: 14 Nov 2000 11:33:32
Message: <3a11695c@news.povray.org>
<code> is mosy widely used for code examples...

Zilvah


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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: Tutorial collection
Date: 14 Nov 2000 12:03:31
Message: <3a117063$1@news.povray.org>

Like how many is a problem?

Wlodzimierz ABX Skiba wrote:

> Greg M. Johnson <"gregj;-"@aol.c;-om> wrote in message
> <3a115b01@news.povray.org>...
> >6) Please make all your file names long and cryptic. For example, make
> >it gmj1905b.html and gmj1905ef.jpg. Please no media.html, fog1.jpg,
> >julia.html, etc. The files will eventually be unzipped and may end up
> >dumped into the same directory.
>
> and some platforms have problems with directories with a lot of entries
>
> ABX


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: Tutorial collection
Date: 14 Nov 2000 12:06:15
Message: <3a117107$1@news.povray.org>
In article <3a11695c@news.povray.org> , "Zilvah" <zil### [at] onlineno> wrote:

> <code> is mosy widely used for code examples...

<pre> is used in the POV-Ray User Manual.


     Thorsten


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Tutorial collection
Date: 15 Nov 2000 05:29:34
Message: <3a12658e@news.povray.org>
Greg M. Johnson <"gregj;-()"@aol.c;-()om> wrote:



: dumped into the same directory.

  This idea sounds completely crazy to me.

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main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: Tutorial collection
Date: 15 Nov 2000 05:40:15
Message: <chrishuff-7FDC8F.05402915112000@news.povray.org>
In article <3a12658e@news.povray.org>, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> 
wrote:

>   This idea sounds completely crazy to me.

I agree...purposely make it impossible to tell what files belong to what 
tutorials and what their purpose is? Each tutorial should live in it's 
own folder, all of these folders could be put in the same place. Then 
you don't have to worry about file names, just folder names.

-- 
Christopher James Huff
Personal: chr### [at] maccom, http://homepage.mac.com/chrishuff/
TAG: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg, http://tag.povray.org/

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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: Tutorial collection
Date: 15 Nov 2000 08:47:12
Message: <3A129285.CA6D7BA@my-dejanews.com>
Chris Huff wrote:

> In article <3a12658e@news.povray.org>, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg>
> wrote:
>
> >   This idea sounds completely crazy to me.
>
> I agree...purposely make it impossible to tell what files belong to what
> tutorials and what their purpose is? Each tutorial should live in it's
> own folder, all of these folders could be put in the same place. Then
> you don't have to worry about file names, just folder names.

Let's back up one question.

I'd like the collection to look something much more like the povray webring
than say povray.binaries.tutorials.  I'd like it to be linked HTML pages
rather than a collection of ZIP files.
Q1: Is the opposition to this proposal based on an assumption of a pile of
ZIP's? IMO, if we go with a pile of ZIP's (even in own subdirectories),
let's just stick with p.b.t., as the CD will offer no value-add to anyone.

I'm just thinking suppose we end up with 100 separate tuts. It is going to
be difficult for the person who wants to "get at" the information by a means
other than the official HTML paths, regardless of 100 subdirectories or
100*(2 to 10) files in one big directory.   I'm thinking that it will be a
much bigger pain to write the CD if there are 100 subdirectories, with
little value add to the user.

Q2: Isn't this similar to the IRTC rewriting your carefully chosen file
names to suit its purposes, as it dumps everything into one folder, no?


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From: Wlodzimierz ABX Skiba
Subject: Re: Tutorial collection
Date: 15 Nov 2000 09:43:43
Message: <3a12a11f$1@news.povray.org>
Greg M. Johnson <"gregj;-"@aol.c;-om> wrote in message
<3a117063$1@news.povray.org>...
>Teach me. You're saying a problem with too many items in one directory?
>Like how many is a problem?

I don't know how many exactly but I remember from DOS and Windows 3.1
that about 2000 entries in directory slow system down dramatically
perhaps this is not limitation but reading method but
what I want to say that povray philosophy is to be platform independent
and as long there is dos version of povray
you shouldn't use long filenames in your cdrom project
(I know 10Best isn't IRTC but look at
http://www.irtc.org/stills/rules.html at 4.f
they point to ISO restrictions)

ABX


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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: Tutorial collection
Date: 15 Nov 2000 09:52:34
Message: <3A12A1E2.A9510A1B@my-dejanews.com>
Wlodzimierz ABX Skiba wrote:

> Greg M. Johnson <"gregj;-"@aol.c;-om> wrote in message
> <3a117063$1@news.povray.org>...
> >Teach me. You're saying a problem with too many items in one directory?
> >Like how many is a problem?
>
> I don't know how many exactly but I remember from DOS and Windows 3.1
> that about 2000 entries in directory slow system down dramatically
> perhaps this is not limitation but reading method but
> what I want to say that povray philosophy is to be platform independent
> and as long there is dos version of povray
> you shouldn't use long filenames in your cdrom project
> (I know 10Best isn't IRTC but look at
> http://www.irtc.org/stills/rules.html at 4.f
> they point to ISO restrictions)
>
> ABX

Well, my philosophy is that only on rare occasions would anyone have to poke
around the raw directory structure. I don't want it to be like p.b.t.      I
aim to make it html navigable.  People will be confused & burdened with 200
subdirectories or with 2000 items in one directory.


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From: Wlodzimierz ABX Skiba
Subject: Re: Tutorial collection
Date: 15 Nov 2000 10:23:34
Message: <3a12aa76$1@news.povray.org>
Greg M. Johnson wrote in message <3A1### [at] my-dejanewscom>...
> Let's back up one question.
>
> I'd like the collection to look something much more like the povray
webring
> than say povray.binaries.tutorials.  I'd like it to be linked HTML
pages
> rather than a collection of ZIP files.
> Q1: Is the opposition to this proposal based on an assumption of a
pile of
> ZIP's? IMO, if we go with a pile of ZIP's (even in own
subdirectories),
> let's just stick with p.b.t., as the CD will offer no value-add to
anyone.
>
> I'm just thinking suppose we end up with 100 separate tuts. It is
going to
> be difficult for the person who wants to "get at" the information by a
means
> other than the official HTML paths, regardless of 100 subdirectories
or
> 100*(2 to 10) files in one big directory.   I'm thinking that it will
be a
> much bigger pain to write the CD if there are 100 subdirectories, with
> little value add to the user.

remember that userinterface which you write in html is not only way to
access to cd-rom - user without internet browser want access cdrom from
any platform - if you deliver 1000 files in one directory how he
recognize subject of html file ? recently I bought some old macs. I plan
to use them to trace, I plan to NOT install internet browser becouse of
space but I plan read html files by pov from cd and copy some stuf from
tutorials to my scenes - what you can advice me to recognize which html
file support my problem ?

if you plan about 100 tutorials how many will be with the same zip name
? 5 ? you can't rename them by hand ? you can't write simple batch to
search all zips in directory and create subdirectories with the same
names and unzip to it ? the same batch can make list of unzipped files
as htm file !!!

> Q2: Isn't this similar to the IRTC rewriting your carefully chosen
file
> names to suit its purposes, as it dumps everything into one folder,
no?

I think it isn't
as I see from your letters you do all by hand but I think IRTC has
automats
and they allow the same names for files - look at
http://www.irtc.org/stills/rules.html point 4.h

ABX


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Tutorial collection
Date: 15 Nov 2000 10:26:52
Message: <3a12ab3a@news.povray.org>
Greg M. Johnson <gre### [at] my-dejanewscom> wrote:
: I'm thinking that it will be a
: much bigger pain to write the CD if there are 100 subdirectories, with
: little value add to the user.

  Why it would be a pain? I can't think of any reason why creating 100
subdirectories, one for each tutorial, would be difficult.
  And the value add to to user would be huge. Just imagine searching for
a specific tutorial among 500 html files (supposing that every tutorial
has 5 html files in average).
  Instead, if each tutorial is inside a well-named subdirectory, searching
for the correct tutorial is extremely easy.

  I still think that the idea is completely crazy.

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main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):_;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/


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