Warp wrote:

>   The point is to show the rendering quality, not the modelling quality,
> since povray is a renderer, not a modeller.
>

Sez who? Speak for
yourself!http://www.geocities.com/pterandon/photos/povraystyleface.jpg

Personally I find a Poser-produced collection of dxf's more 'offensive' than an
sPatch-produced collection of patches, when touting what Pov can do.

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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:

> This is contrary to what any usability expert will tell you.  People want to
> know where they are and what the site is about.  The main page of any site
> is the most essential and apparently very important for the success of a
> site.
> If you want to know about how web design should be to work best, check out
> <www.useit.com>.

Dogbert wags his tail.........

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"Simen Kvaal" <sim### [at] studentmatnatuiono> wrote in message
news:394f2e79@news.povray.org...
> OH THAT WOMAN ANNOYS ME!
>
> - It scares people away, because of the semi-nudity.

People aren't that Victorian, surely?...

> - It's so un-povish.

Meaning it's not made of a load of primatives stuck together?  Define what a
POV image looks like.

> - It's ugly.

It could be worse...

> No, seriously. I think that having a semi-nude model not even generated in
> Povray on the front page; splashing in your face like that can scare some
> people away; especially younger people. And _I'd_ doubt the seriousness of
> the product.

Sorry, but I really don't see it scaring away younger people... unless they
were rather sheltered 8 year olds or something, but in which case I doubt
they'd be too interested in POV development in any case.  Come on, be
realistic!

> And certainly no-one wants to claim that this is made in Povray. Rendered,
> perhaps, but that's not good enough; whatever reason the designer had to
put
> it up.

Why isn't it good enough?  Do we want to say "if you want to make any type
of image with POV, you've got to read the manual from cover to cover and
learn plenty of POV script"?  Or do we perhaps want to show a more complete
range of possibilities, which, surprisingly enough, does actually allow for
external design too ~without~ hand coding.  It's true.  Not everyone gets
their pleasures from POV by hand-coding every pixel themselves - some might
even argue it allows more time for creativity.

> And it's not a very pretty woman, either. Too skinny. That kind of woman
> that makes girls try to loose weight, and so on. I mean it.

Doesn't the suggestion of adding a fatter model to povray.org to discourage
teenage dieting sound just a little silly to you?  I very much doubt whether
a single teenage girl would intentionally visit the site anyway.


Sorry, I don't mean to take it all out on you but I've got a little fed up
of reading some of the complaints about that one image - I really didn't
think the POV community were quite so... erm... old, boring and dull (to put
it frankly).  With some, apparently increasingly rare, exceptions of course.
I don't mean to offend anyone (though quite obviously this post would have
done in any case) but it's all just a little frustrating.


Matt

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["Matthew Bennett" <ben### [at] btinternetcom>]
| People aren't that Victorian, surely?...

No but it looks pretty cheezy. POV-Ray doesn't need pictures of
scantily clad women to sell itself. Isn't the POV-Ray community
dominated by men? Is something we want? Doesn the semi-nude women help
in this regard?

But what really settles the issue for me is that she looks totally
misplaced, even though I get the nagging suspicion that povray.org's
new brown pallette was made to suit the woman, and not vice versa. 
She makes the page 200-something pixels wider, and she ain't worth it.

-- 
Never attribute to malice that which 
can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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In article <394CB7DC.F69762C3@aol.com>, SamuelT <STB### [at] aolcom> 
wrote:

> If you're running Windows (95 and over) you can press alt+tab to switch
> applications easily. If you're running a Macintosh, you can do the same,
> except it's command+tab.

And Command-Shift-Tab to back up. And you can change the key 
combination, this is just the default.
Still, I don't usually set windows to use the full size of my monitor, 
since I often am working in multiple windows. I will often have more 
than 5 windows open in Netscape, as well as Eudora(an e-mail program) 
and MT-NewsWatcher(my newsreader), and one or more versions of 
POV/Alpha/CodeWarrior/miscellaneous other programs. I tend to use the 
"Hide application" option a lot. :-)

-- 
Christopher James Huff - Personal e-mail: chr### [at] maccom
TAG(Technical Assistance Group) e-mail: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg
Personal Web page: http://chrishuff.dhs.org/
TAG Web page: http://tag.povray.org/

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>> Just went to the POV-Ray page looking for links, and it happens to have
>> a new design !
>> What do people think ?

The only thing I don't like is the poser girl.  She seems very out of
place on the page.

- Doug Eichenberg

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Scott Hill wrote:

>     I still recovering from the fact that _anyone_ would be put off povray
> by the sight of _rendered_ scantily clad females... Kind of implies they're
> put off by a whole host of other art forms...

Maybe if she were rendered with a marble texture, she wouldn't be so
controversial. ;-)

-Mark Gordon

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On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:29:35 -0500 Mark Gordon <mtg### [at] mailbagcom>
wrote:

>Maybe if she were rendered with a marble texture, she wouldn't be so
>controversial. ;-)

  She would then be a stature and would have no need for any clothes
whatsoever <bg>.

-- 
Alan - ako### [at] povrayorg - a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g
http://www.povray.org - Home of the Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer

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Alan Kong wrote:

>   She would then be a stature and would have no need for any clothes
> whatsoever <bg>.

Wouldn't that violate some existing statuary statutes ?

<bg>

-- 
Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/

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> PS: Please keep in mind that the POV-Team - unlike large companies - does
> not have the money or time to employ a whole department of usability
experts
> and web designers to create a "perfect" site.

Don't they have a TAG-Team? Can't they make a special team for the website
design and maintenance? I'm sure lots of people here would devote their time
to helping. I know I would. I have Photoshop. I can be of great assistance,
with this powerful tool.

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