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Mistake. 2.5 million divided by 25 is 100,000 not 1 million. Continuing on
from there ends up at 50,000 people. Much more believable I think, even if it
was about as haphazard a statistical analysis as it gets.
Bob
"Bob Hughes" <omn### [at] hotmail com?subject=PoV-News:> wrote in message
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| might be average too (not the povray links), so just going by that alone with
| perhaps 15,000 accesses a year divide 15000 by 5 first = 3000 people.
| Maybe the povray downloads is best to judge the number of people by but still
| you'd want to divide that number by the average time a single person gets a
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| subtracted out. Let's say that would be 1/25 of the 2.5 million d/l's just to
| wild guess for actual POV-Ray only). I'll conclude then that it's 1 million
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| a few repeat d/l's to get updated versions. Subtract out the multiple
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| users and it might cut this in half, then take away some errant re-d/l's for
| whatever reason (bad d/l) and the final number might be 1/4 million people.
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| then maybe double that back just because....
| Final total guesstamation: 500,000 POV-Ray users out there, whether they be
| one-time users or full-time.
| It's okay if you don't believe me though, I don't either.
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| Bob
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| "Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
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| | > I was wondering if anyone can give me an approximate idea as to how many
| | > povray users there are right now?
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| | > -Justin
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| | The POV-Team keeps statistics on the traffic at their site but it would
| | be almost impossible using those statistics to determine the size of
| | their user base. It might give you some insight however looking at
| | the stats below for the month of Nov. 1999. My personal home page,
| | dedicated to POV-Ray, has had 12,000+ visitors since it went online
| | in April of last year. I would guess that there is a fairly large
| | POV-User base but I would not care to guess at how many.
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| | The statistics for the POV-Ray home page at - http://www.povray.org
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| | Daily Averages for the month of November 1999
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| | Total Hits 97,428
| | Files Downloaded 85,479
| | Pages Accessed 40,219
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| | Monthly Totals for the month of November 1999
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| | Total Hits 2,922,863
| | Files Downloaded 2,565,378
| | Pages Accessed 1,206,595
| | Bandwidth in KBytes 74,387,415
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| | --
| | Ken Tyler - 1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
| | http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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I read this newsgroups constantly, but the main POV-Ray user in our family is
my daughter. She doesn't have Internet access unfortunately. So you can add
but only a little part of them write in these newsgroups.
With best regards,
Pavel Rumyantsev
"mr.art" wrote:
> Well, I can account for 107 different names. But that is only what
> is seen on a regular basis in these news groups.
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> Justin Clark wrote:
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> > Hi,
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> > I was wondering if anyone can give me an approximate idea as to how many
> > povray users there are right now?
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> > -Justin
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> --
> Mr. Art
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> "Often the appearance of reality is more important
> than the reality of the appearance."
> Bill DeWitt 2000
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Ken wrote:
> Monthly Totals for the month of November 1999
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> Total Hits 2,922,863
> Files Downloaded 2,565,378
> Pages Accessed 1,206,595
> Bandwidth in KBytes 74,387,415
Which brings up a question, where the hell are they? By the 1/10th of 1%
rule there should be 2900 entries to the IRTC. And even 1/100th of 1% aren't
there.
Not that I am encouraging them...
--
The question is not, "Who will let me do it?"
The question is, "Who will stop me?"
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500,000.
This sounds about right to me.
I once 'tried' to calculate this number (of users)
and this is the approximate number I came up with.
WCFM (What Counts For Me) and my efforts I would
add 500,003.
Hey, It's a start.
Peter Warren
war### [at] hotmailcom
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Ken wrote:
> The statistics for the POV-Ray home page at - http://www.povray.org
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> Files Downloaded 85,479
> Pages Accessed 40,219
This isn't just a count of the various POV-Ray packages, but also all
the HTML documents (Pages Accessed, inflated further by the use of
frames) and associated graphics (most of the difference between Files
Downloaded and Pages Accessed). Adjust by a factor of 10 or 20 to
calculate how many people visited the sites (repeat visitors within a
given month most likely using cached files).
-Mark Gordon
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Mark Gordon wrote:
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> Ken wrote:
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> > The statistics for the POV-Ray home page at - http://www.povray.org
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> > Pages Accessed 40,219
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> This isn't just a count of the various POV-Ray packages, but also all
> the HTML documents (Pages Accessed, inflated further by the use of
> frames) and associated graphics (most of the difference between Files
> Downloaded and Pages Accessed). Adjust by a factor of 10 or 20 to
> calculate how many people visited the sites (repeat visitors within a
> given month most likely using cached files).
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> -Mark Gordon
Like I said the stats are almost useless for determining the POV-Ray
user base. Even your best guess could easily be off by 30% -40% or
more.
--
Ken Tyler - 1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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As you might have noticed I made a mistake in the first try, if that's possible
to mistake a complete guess, by dividing wrong. The number comes out to 50,000
and not 500,000. Somehow I can't imagine a half million people are using, or
have used POV-Ray. That's a large number. Especially if you consider there
might be about 100 million computer users worldwide, that would be %0.5 or 1 out
of 200 people. Unlikely I think.
Bob
"Peter Warren" <int### [at] halcyoncom> wrote in message
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| 500,000.
| This sounds about right to me.
| I once 'tried' to calculate this number (of users)
| and this is the approximate number I came up with.
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| Hey, It's a start.
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| war### [at] hotmailcom
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Pavel Rumyantsev wrote:
>I think, that many people read these
>newsgroups, but only a little part of
>them write in these newsgroups.
I think so too.
I also think that the people who read
these newsgroups are only a little
part of all the POV-Ray users.
Somewhere on www.povray.org there's a
list with all the newsgroups, but I
think it's too difficult to find the
page with that list.
I think it should be linked to from
either the menu bar or the home page,
like it was once. That will make new
users more aware of these groups.
Greetings,
Rune
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Updated January 24: http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk
Containing 3D images, stereograms, tutorials,
The POV Desktop Theme, 350+ raytracing jokes,
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I think they are all so in awe at the entries they see that
they choose not to embarrass themselves, in other words, the
standards are rather high, and the learning curve on POV-Ray
rather steep :-) .
HB
Matt Giwer <jul### [at] ijnet> wrote in message news:362C57DF.C453B841@ij.net...
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> Which brings up a question, where the hell are they? By the 1/10th of
1%
> rule there should be 2900 entries to the IRTC. And even 1/100th of 1%
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> Not that I am encouraging them...
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> The question is not, "Who will let me do it?"
> The question is, "Who will stop me?"
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I wouldn't want to hazard a guestimate, however some things to
consider are:
1. Some users, like my son, have never visited the web site.
2. Many users started using POV before there was a web site :-)
3. POV-Ray has been included in magazines and books.
So the higher estimates may not be far off
Harold
Bob Hughes <omn### [at] hotmailcom?subject=PoV-News:> wrote in message
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> As you might have noticed I made a mistake in the first try, if that's
possible
> to mistake a complete guess, by dividing wrong. The number comes out to
50,000
> and not 500,000. Somehow I can't imagine a half million people are using,
or
> have used POV-Ray. That's a large number. Especially if you consider
there
> might be about 100 million computer users worldwide, that would be %0.5 or
1 out
> of 200 people. Unlikely I think.
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> Bob
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