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From: Pabs
Subject: Death of Watcom C++
Date: 19 Dec 1999 22:05:06
Message: <385D9CD6.A418E85A@hotmail.com>
What is the POV-Team going to do now that Watcom C++ is dying
Please don't go to MSVC++
See below for more info
http://techinfo.sybase.com/css/techinfo.nsf/DocId/ID=20510


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Death of Watcom C++
Date: 19 Dec 1999 22:36:03
Message: <385D9F2F.43C36EB7@pacbell.net>
Pabs wrote:
> 
> What is the POV-Team going to do now that Watcom C++ is dying
> Please don't go to MSVC++
> See below for more info
> http://techinfo.sybase.com/css/techinfo.nsf/DocId/ID=20510

Eerie. That announcment reads just like the Metecreations announcement
did. I guess that even though they are dropping support for the product
that does not mean that the POV-Team has to stop using it.

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From: Pabs
Subject: Re: Death of Watcom C++
Date: 19 Dec 1999 23:04:30
Message: <385DAAC3.5A6924A7@hotmail.com>
Something weird goin' down

Ken wrote:

> Eerie. That announcment reads just like the Metecreations announcement
> did. I guess that even though they are dropping support for the product
> that does not mean that the POV-Team has to stop using it.
>
> --
> Wishing you Seasons Greetings, A Merry Christmas, and A Happy New Year !

Yeah but what about the lack of updated code generation (speed of it &
optimisations on it etc. - seems a little disheartening (is that a word????
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From: Nieminen Juha
Subject: Re: Death of Watcom C++
Date: 20 Dec 1999 11:27:33
Message: <385e58f5@news.povray.org>
Pabs <pab### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
: What is the POV-Team going to do now that Watcom C++ is dying
: Please don't go to MSVC++

  Actually the MSVC compile of povray seems to be faster than the watcom
compile.
  Who cares which compiler is used as long as it makes faster code?

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main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Death of Watcom C++
Date: 20 Dec 1999 11:43:34
Message: <385E5D67.F7080A21@pacbell.net>
Nieminen Juha wrote:

>   Who cares which compiler is used as long as it makes faster code?

 I will agree with that as long as you amend that to read "makes faster
and more reliable code".

Having said that -

 Does a comiler make code or does it make a program out of code ?

 Why is called code ?

 Isn't "code" really just programming instructions ?

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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Death of Watcom C++
Date: 20 Dec 1999 11:57:13
Message: <385e5fe9@news.povray.org>
>  Does a comiler make code or does it make a program out of code ?
>
>  Why is called code ?
>
>  Isn't "code" really just programming instructions ?

A compiler produces object code or "machine code"...

It just depends on your definition of code... pseudo code, C++ code,
assembly code... MATRIX code... hehe  Code is used to describe a lot of
different stages.

The "machine code" refers to the object code, the "code for a program"
usually refers to the language specific text instructions.

The disassembly (not decompile) of "machine code" is simply a list of
processors words like move, put, get etc.

Code is used in lots of places to mean different things, so the point could
be argued forever.

Back to the original thread though, I welcome any change in compiler or
language as long as it produces a more efficient program.

Weren't the original plans to move to MSVC++ anyway?  (please correct me if
I'm wrong, don't want to mislead anyone there)

--
Lance.
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone


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From: Nieminen Juha
Subject: Re: Death of Watcom C++
Date: 20 Dec 1999 11:57:45
Message: <385e6009@news.povray.org>
Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
: Having said that -

:  Does a comiler make code or does it make a program out of code ?

:  Why is called code ?

:  Isn't "code" really just programming instructions ?

  Ok, I should have said "machine code" instead of just "code", but I thought
that it was enough to let it be implicit.
  Machine code are the bytes that the CPU can directly interpret.

-- 
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Death of Watcom C++
Date: 20 Dec 1999 12:00:58
Message: <385E6179.1A78DE8@pacbell.net>
Lance Birch wrote:

> Weren't the original plans to move to MSVC++ anyway?  (please correct me if
> I'm wrong, don't want to mislead anyone there)

The plans are to move towards C++ but whether MSVC will be the development
environment is unknown to me.

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Wishing you Seasons Greetings, A Merry Christmas, and A Happy New Year !
Ken Tyler -  1200+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Death of Watcom C++
Date: 20 Dec 1999 12:03:37
Message: <385e6169@news.povray.org>
Ken wrote:
> Lance Birch wrote:
>
> > Weren't the original plans to move to MSVC++ anyway?  (please correct me
if
> > I'm wrong, don't want to mislead anyone there)
>
> The plans are to move towards C++ but whether MSVC will be the development
> environment is unknown to me.

Thanks for clearing that up.

--
Lance.
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone


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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: Death of Watcom C++
Date: 20 Dec 1999 12:10:06
Message: <385e62ee@news.povray.org>
"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote :
>
>  Does a comiler make code or does it make a program out of code ?
>

    Yes. A compiler makes code out of code. Hope I've cleared that up...

    Using MSVC++ as a compiler won't make much of a difference in the
program itself. The problem, if there is one, would be if they switched over
to MFC (Microsoft Foundation Classes). That is the single largest bloater of
code in the universe.

    I suspect that they will write straight to API though so that the code
can be compiled from source in any C++ compiler. That would make more sense
considering the history so far.


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