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Alan Kong <ako### [at] pacbellno-spam net> wrote:
: Do you mean a *version* history of POV-Ray? I don't think such a document
: exists in the form of a single text file. I believe that all minor revisions
: (such as v3.1 to v3.1g) contain a revision or what's-new text file but these
: might be lost when going to each new major version (v2.2 to v3.0 to v3.1).
Such a document would be quite interesting to read. Does the material
still exist? Is anyone willing to compile all the material into one
document?
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
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> Alan Kong <ako### [at] pacbellno-spamnet> wrote:
> : Do you mean a *version* history of POV-Ray? I don't think such a document
> : exists in the form of a single text file. I believe that all minor revisions
> : (such as v3.1 to v3.1g) contain a revision or what's-new text file but these
> : might be lost when going to each new major version (v2.2 to v3.0 to v3.1).
>
> Such a document would be quite interesting to read. Does the material
> still exist? Is anyone willing to compile all the material into one
> document?
I'm willing to bet that Chris Young has or knows the majority of this
information though whether or not he would be interested in such a project
is another story altogether.
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See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
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>On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:16:47 +0200, "Wojtek Bauman"
><rea### [at] spleenwawpl> wrote:
>
>>Heheh :) What would happen if I began to post my articles in
>>Polish? Would _anyone_ understand them? ;)
>
>Tak :)
Whoa! This is the first Polish word I hear (read) on this server :)
>I think I'll just ask my neighbour for help.
>
>I was in Poland back in 1991. I liked it, esp. having in mind what
>Bulgaria looked like at the time. I saw many things I hadn't seen
>before and it doesn't really take a lot to fascinate an 11-year-old
>kid. I went to Gdansk and you'd be right in guessing I couldn't resist
>the prices and quality of amber there, so my mother is still wearing
>an bracelet, says it helps her blood pressure somehow (?!).
Yes, Gdansk seemed fine to me too. But I've always been living
in Warsaw.
>OK, enough OT rambling on my side, I just felt like I had to share :)
Ok.
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On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:33:55 -0400, Alberto <ame### [at] mausbve> wrote:
>I was also thinking in
>the history of POV-Ray more in the human point of view. People involved in the
>development of distinct aspects of POV-Ray, telling stories about their mood
>when they were working the details. Stories about the discussion of the
>implementation of new features, the development of the syntax, etc. This could
>be done in the form of articles and interviews. I'm aware that this suggestions
>will demand a lot of work but I think many users and non-users will enjoy it.
The human side... yeah, it was and is interesting, much of the time. Much
of the discussion is similar to what you might read from the posts in the
povray.programming or povray.unofficial.patches groups. Things like
portability issues might be brought up. Other times, a POV-Team member will
share an interesting e-mail with the others, or direct us to check out a
really novel use for POV-Ray.
I vaguely recall some discussions that took place when Dieter Bayer began
to implement his vista and light buffers from his FTPOV (FasterThanPOV-Ray)
unofficial patch into the official POV-Ray after he joined the Team.
Many of the POV-Team members have made an effort to meet up with some of
the others at events such as SIGGRAPH over the years. There used to be a
JPEG or .gif posted in the CompuServe file libraries of (I think) Dan
Farmer, Lutz Kretzschmar, (hey, Xander, were you in that one?) and some
other early Team members but I no longer have the image :( I do remember one
instance a few years ago on CompuServe when things somehow took a silly turn
and one of the members got us started on that word game (anagrams?) that
took the letters that form "Persistence of Vision" and used them to spell
other words and phrases. It proceeded to go from amusing to extremely
outrageous (not suitable for viewing by children or those offended by the
mention of body parts!). It was quite hilarious and I wish I had saved those
posts before my old machines died.
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On 23 Aug 1999 02:18:29 -0400, Nieminen Mika <war### [at] cctutfi> wrote:
> Such a document would be quite interesting to read. Does the material
>still exist? Is anyone willing to compile all the material into one
>document?
Not sure if someone has archived those old revision text files but if they
still exist on someone's machine it wouldn't take much to put it all
together, I would think.
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On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:44:41 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
> I'm willing to bet that Chris Young has or knows the majority of this
>information though whether or not he would be interested in such a project
>is another story altogether.
The 'human side' of the POV-Ray development would be a ton of work. It'd
be almost like editing a book, since much of the material would have to be
garnered from hundreds of posted public and private forum messages from the
old CompuServe GRAPHDEV and POVRAY Forums, as well as some private e-mails.
I'm not sure if anyone has archived all of those old posts or how far back
they would date if someone did have 'em. I mean, Drew Wells was long gone
well before I got a CompuServe account and others like Truman Brown were
starting to move on. I would sure like to read this myself but obviously
there is little commercial value to a project such as this, but quite a bit
of work involved.
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Alan Kong wrote:
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> On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:33:55 -0400, Alberto <ame### [at] mausbve> wrote:
>
> >I was also thinking in
> >the history of POV-Ray more in the human point of view. People involved in the
> >development of distinct aspects of POV-Ray, telling stories about their mood
> >when they were working the details.
I remember holding my newborn son (the first one) while debugging
POV-Ray code. This was often at odd hours of the night - probably
explains why the Bezier code looks like it does...
> > Stories about the discussion of the
> >implementation of new features, the development of the syntax, etc.
David Buck and I had several long discussions on what later became
filter & transmit. On my 286 (actually a Harris clone of the 286 with
an IIT clone of the 287 chip) there was a big performance win by adding
a separate keyword and accumulating the transparency independently of
the various calculations that go into the normal (refracted)
transmission. There were still just 3 components to a color then. [And
the big feature everyone wanted was the torus...]
Also had several discussions with DKB about how bounding ought to work.
I wanted the bounding shapes to chop pieces off when they were outside.
He didn't want that to happen (and in fact really wanted clipping to be
done with CSG difference of transparent objects). Since the performance
of CSG with invisible surfaces was a big problem, the compromise we came
to was to add clipping (well, to change my modified bounding code to use
the keyword clipped_by).
>
> Many of the POV-Team members have made an effort to meet up with some of
> the others at events such as SIGGRAPH over the years.
Yup - met up with Lutz+Markus (both of them), Thomas Baier, and Jeff
Bowermaster (Dave Mason too, but I see him all the time).
Xander
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On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:05:19 -0400, Alexander Enzmann <xan### [at] mitreorg>
wrote:
>I remember holding my newborn son (the first one) while debugging
>POV-Ray code. This was often at odd hours of the night - probably
>explains why the Bezier code looks like it does...
[..]
>David Buck and I had several long discussions on what later became
>filter & transmit.
[..]
Very interesting background stories, Xander. Thanks for sharing that with
us. I'll have to save this post as a 'keeper' <s>.
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I thought the same thing. I seldom read about the historical aspects
of POV-Ray and people.
Bob
Alan Kong <ako### [at] pacbellNO-SPAMnet> wrote in message
news:37c513d4.705329641@news.povray.org...
> On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:05:19 -0400, Alexander Enzmann
<xan### [at] mitreorg>
> wrote:
>
> >I remember holding my newborn son (the first one) while debugging
> >POV-Ray code. This was often at odd hours of the night - probably
> >explains why the Bezier code looks like it does...
> [..]
> >David Buck and I had several long discussions on what later became
> >filter & transmit.
> [..]
>
> Very interesting background stories, Xander. Thanks for sharing
that with
> us. I'll have to save this post as a 'keeper' <s>.
>
> --
> Alan
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I really enjoyed reading your posts (Alan and Alexander).
Wish there were more people willing to share their stories.
By the way, I found in the Mac documentation a short history about POV-Ray
based on upgrades (it goes back to DKB Trace). The history is focused on the
mac implementation with some comments about the people involved.
Regards, Alberto.
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