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You should probably have a link there so that people will know what is
going on.
perhaps http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8984/ would do fine.
Vahur Krouverk wrote:
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> Jon A. Cruz wrote:
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> > They have a new aggreement that includes a clause that basically says
> > they get to use whatever you post in whatever way they feel, forever and
> > at no charge.
> >
> > see http://slashdot.org/articles/99/06/29/1535228.shtml
> >
> > and
> >
> > http://copyright.focus-online.com/copyright.html
>
> Damn, I just updated my site. If someone wants, then feel free to visit
> it:
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/5016/
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Just so I unaderstand the full ramifications of what you are warning us
about let me propose a hypothetical situation and you tell me if it applies
to this "new" policy you are alerting us to.
I have a website on Geocities that is bound by this new contract. I
decide to host a mirror site for Pov-Ray and put a copy of all of the
binaries on this page for people to download.
Does the new policy imply that because I have those files on my site
they now have the unimpeded right to use the official Pov program to make
money on it ?
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Ken Tyler
mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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I'm adding the following html to the top and bottom of my pages:
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<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8984/"
target="_blank">Boycott Geocities</a>
Jon A. Cruz wrote:
> You should probably have a link there so that people will know what is
> going on.
>
> perhaps http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8984/ would do fine.
>
> Vahur Krouverk wrote:
> >
> > Jon A. Cruz wrote:
> > >
> > > They have a new aggreement that includes a clause that basically says
> > > they get to use whatever you post in whatever way they feel, forever and
> > > at no charge.
> > >
> > > see http://slashdot.org/articles/99/06/29/1535228.shtml
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > http://copyright.focus-online.com/copyright.html
> >
> > Damn, I just updated my site. If someone wants, then feel free to visit
> > it:
> > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/5016/
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On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:11:32 -0700, Ken wrote:
> I have a website on Geocities that is bound by this new contract. I
>decide to host a mirror site for Pov-Ray and put a copy of all of the
>binaries on this page for people to download.
> Does the new policy imply that because I have those files on my site
>they now have the unimpeded right to use the official Pov program to make
>money on it ?
No. The new policy implies that you don't have the right to make the
mirror site, as you don't have the legal right to assign copyright on
the files.
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Ron Parker wrote:
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> On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:11:32 -0700, Ken wrote:
> > I have a website on Geocities that is bound by this new contract. I
> >decide to host a mirror site for Pov-Ray and put a copy of all of the
> >binaries on this page for people to download.
> > Does the new policy imply that because I have those files on my site
> >they now have the unimpeded right to use the official Pov program to make
> >money on it ?
>
> No. The new policy implies that you don't have the right to make the
> mirror site, as you don't have the legal right to assign copyright on
> the files.
Then only a fool would do business with these people !!!
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Ken Tyler
mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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Ron Parker wrote:
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> On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:11:32 -0700, Ken wrote:
> > I have a website on Geocities that is bound by this new contract. I
> >decide to host a mirror site for Pov-Ray and put a copy of all of the
> >binaries on this page for people to download.
> > Does the new policy imply that because I have those files on my site
> >they now have the unimpeded right to use the official Pov program to make
> >money on it ?
>
> No. The new policy implies that you don't have the right to make the
> mirror site, as you don't have the legal right to assign copyright on
> the files.
Somebody should warn Chris Colefax if hasn't been warned yet!
Marc
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>Somebody should warn Chris Colefax if hasn't been warned yet!
>
>Marc
>--
>Marc Schimmler
Just sent him an email.
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In article <377a73d8@news.povray.org> , par### [at] fwi com (Ron Parker) wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:11:32 -0700, Ken wrote:
>> I have a website on Geocities that is bound by this new contract. I
>>decide to host a mirror site for Pov-Ray and put a copy of all of the
>>binaries on this page for people to download.
>> Does the new policy imply that because I have those files on my site
>>they now have the unimpeded right to use the official Pov program to make
>>money on it ?
>
> No. The new policy implies that you don't have the right to make the
> mirror site, as you don't have the legal right to assign copyright on
> the files.
Well, even if you would, there would be little they can do (legally) if you
have data with copyright on your site, at least if you are outside the US...
the worst they can do is take the site of there server.
Thorsten
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Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: Tho### [at] csicom
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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"Jon A. Cruz" wrote:
> They have a new aggreement that includes a clause that basically says
> they get to use whatever you post in whatever way they feel, forever and
> at no charge.
>
> see http://slashdot.org/articles/99/06/29/1535228.shtml
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> and
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> http://copyright.focus-online.com/copyright.html
It looks like things are somewhat working.
Geocities/Yahoo is trying to clear up their license and public perception.
It's a start. Good to see that some people can make a difference (even if
it's a tiny token one).
http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,38643,00.html?st.ne.fd.gif.e
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Jon A. Cruz wrote:
> They have a new aggreement that includes a clause that basically says
> they get to use whatever you post in whatever way they feel, forever and
> at no charge.
and after some discussion, Marc Schimmler wrote:
> Somebody should warn Chris Colefax if hasn't been warned yet!
Thanks to Lance and others I have been duly notified - gratitude to all
for showing such concern! In response I've taken the time to read
through the new and revised Terms of Service, and various objections
that have been raised elsewhere on the web. If you could forgive me for
being a little moderate, it seems to me to be a question (as always) of
interpretation.
The line from Yahoo themselves seems to be that the "broad" language is
required to allow them to better host/mirror the sites, and in this vein
the references to "adapt, publish, translate..." and "technology now
known or later developed" could be seen simply as allowing them to
reformat pages for WebTV/spoken word browsers, etc. On the other hand,
"the purpose of displaying and distributing such Content on our network
of properties and for the promotion and marketing of *our* services" (my
emphasis) is fairly explicit!
For me, the most 'interesting' phrase is "royalty-free, perpetual,
irrevocable, non-exclusive ... right and license". I can live with the
first (I've never paid them a cent, so what do I expect!), and I quite
like the fourth, but the severity of the terms sandwiched in-between is
definitely concerning.
>From a practical point of view it's a matter of weighing up the
alternatives - as has been said, Yahoo's terms aren't much different
from other 'free' services, and Lance has already moaned about the cost
of the net here in Australia so I won't bore you with more "wish I was
over there" sentiments. My current ISP does offer web space, but it
would mean removing/reducing the AVI and JPG samples on my site.
Truth be told I've quite enjoyed GeoCities hosting my site - the steady
web and email addresses have been great as I move from ISP to ISP, and
the hosting service has been bigger and better than any of the local
ISP's I've tried so far. The pop-up's were admittedly irritating, but
it didn't take much to remove them, and the replacement banner ad's seem
to be pretty much par for the course in these heady, commercial days.
As it is consumer pressure may yet effect more amendments to Yahoo's
policy, and at any rate I can't currently 'sign-up' properly with
Yahoo-GeoCities due to an error with their server (an ominous sign,
perhaps?!), so I have yet to bind myself to anything definite....
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