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From: ingo
Subject: Re: Rendering Question
Date: 18 Jun 1999 15:22:51
Message: <376a9c8b$1@news.povray.org>
Bob heeft geschreven in bericht <376A85BD.6B2558FA@aol.com>...
>Good things to know, I like to print out my images as I'm sure others do.
Thanks Glen B.
>


With what gamma setting should a picture for printing be traced? Tried a
grayscale with assumed_gamma 1 and display_gamma 2.2. It does not look
ood:( The near white parts have not enough density.

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From: Bob
Subject: Re: Rendering Question
Date: 18 Jun 1999 22:39:24
Message: <376B02A7.DAE1FD19@aol.com>
I'm always using a typical assumed_gamma 2.2 and display_gamma 2.2, both the same for
almost every image I render with few exceptions and they print fairly well as is on my
Epson Stylus Color. I sometimes brighten or darken them no more than a few percent in
post-processing (Paint Shop Pro or Picture Publisher). Meaning I seldom need much
change. The printer used is probably a major factor, but if I try to use assumed_gamma
1.0 I'd get very low contrast images regardless of the printer settings; I opt for the
default more often than not too.
Keep in mind I'm a home-based person here, only took a file in to be printed twice
before and so I am very low tech when it comes to my prints.


ingo wrote:
> 
> With what gamma setting should a picture for printing be traced? Tried a
> grayscale with assumed_gamma 1 and display_gamma 2.2. It does not look
> ood:( The near white parts have not enough density.
> 

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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Rendering Question
Date: 18 Jun 1999 22:50:15
Message: <376b0567@news.povray.org>
I agree with you there, ingo the problem is most likely with the printer not
being able to replicate the colors and shades correctly.  Printing at a
professional print shop will solve the problem (or should) because their
printers and/or rips will be able to handle the color correction themselves.

The ultimate is to get it imageset and then printed as CMYK plates... but
that would cost a small fortune and is only really good for large runs.

Usually I get good results using rip printing directly to a high-quality
Canon color photocopier (obviously it's one set up specifically for the
Canon Rip).  It seems to be able to match the color correction quite well as
Photoshop corrects it for the purposes.

Hope this helps.  (you should probably consult the print shop about the
problem)

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From: ingo
Subject: Re: Rendering Question
Date: 19 Jun 1999 05:01:31
Message: <376b5c6b@news.povray.org>
Bob heeft geschreven in bericht <376B02A7.DAE1FD19@aol.com>...
>I'm always using a typical assumed_gamma 2.2 and display_gamma 2.2, both the
same for
>almost every image I render with few exceptions and they print fairly well as
is on my
>Epson Stylus Color. I sometimes brighten or darken them no more than a few
percent in
>post-processing (Paint Shop Pro or Picture Publisher). Meaning I seldom need
much
>change. ....

Investigated it a bit more. Did a serie of renderings with assumed_gamma from 1
to 3 and printed them on transparent sheets. Dusted off my old densitometer and
measured the scales. The one with gamma 2.2 is perfectly linear, 50% gray is 50%
gray. Then had a look at the rgb values in the files with PSP and the hex tool
in XnView. Only the 2.2 scale is linear.
So with an assumed_gamma of 2.2 and display_gamma 2.2, POV-Ray does no gamma
correction (the same result as when you set no assumed_gamma at all). And the
printer I use (epson 440) has no influence on the gamma of the print.
Finally I took the grayscale in the darkroom and made a photoprint of it. Looks
good.



Lance Birch heeft geschreven in bericht <376b0567@news.povray.org>...
>......

>The ultimate is to get it imageset and then printed as CMYK plates... but
>that would cost a small fortune and is only really good for large runs.
>

The real ulitimate high end print would be a Fresson print. The problem is there
are only two suppliers in the world and they are very selective in the artwork
they print. And only one of them does color work. Doing it yourself is
impossible.

A simple straight forward way, with very good durability, would be printing to
slides and make ciba-crome prints (use the low contrast material).

There are other high quality processes like the ful color carbo print and the
gum print (the one I going for at the moment). Both are photographic processes.

ingo

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From: Nieminen Mika
Subject: Re: Rendering Question
Date: 19 Jun 1999 11:11:59
Message: <376bb33f@news.povray.org>
Jan Danielsson <Jan### [at] falunmailteliacom> wrote:
: [d:\povray\scenes]povray +itest.pov +w1024 +h7688 +a

  At least you would have a very nice vertical resolution :)

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