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From: John D  Gwinner
Subject: Withdrawing .. darn it
Date: 1 Feb 2005 08:02:41
Message: <41ff37a1$1@news.povray.org>
Well, I just missed the deadline - when I started to type this, there were 
22 mins to go or so, but at line 440 out of 571 to go ... obviously, it's 
not going to make it.

Rats.  I'm sooo frustrated.

Well, there were a few errors in the image anyway, my radiosity settings 
interferred with my terrain and washed it out so the impact wouldn't have 
been there.  Same terrain I've been using for 3 weeks, but I fiddled with 
the texture in the last 3 days and apparently it didn't work with radiosity.

I think I ran into a bug with fog 2 that's different than the known bug, 
I'll try and duplicate it.  Probably I messed up the SDL.

The worst, however, was two multiple crashes of MegaPOV on the scene at 
about halfway through, this afternoon.  After attempting to continue with 
POVRay, it worked, but scrambled the top half of the image, and I was scared 
to mess with it.  After looking at it just now, it appears the file saved 
was correct, so it must be a display bug with +C switching between MegaPOV 
and POVRay.  I'll post the crash address if I can find it.  I was SO happy 
yesterday as I went to sleep and started the final image ...  well, clearly 
I should have started earlier.

I had a few test runs that weren't too bad (not as much detail) but I hadn't 
saved the detail zoom in so I would gather I can't post them anyway.  Next 
time, I'll do complete dry run before the final image 'just in case'.  If 
there is a next time ...

oh yea, 4 mins to go and line 456 out of 571 ... there it goes, 00:01.  :(

        == John ==


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From: Slime
Subject: Re: Withdrawing .. darn it
Date: 1 Feb 2005 08:26:08
Message: <41ff3d20$1@news.povray.org>
> Well, I just missed the deadline - when I started to type this, there were
> 22 mins to go or so, but at line 440 out of 571 to go ... obviously, it's
> not going to make it.


That sucks =(

But hey, finish the image, and show us the final product in
povray.binaries.images. It's not like it was a waste of time.

> After attempting to continue with
> POVRay, it worked, but scrambled the top half of the image, and I was
scared
> to mess with it.  After looking at it just now, it appears the file saved
> was correct, so it must be a display bug with +C switching between MegaPOV
> and POVRay.

I've seen that without using MegaPOV. In fact, I see it every time I use +C.
File outputs alright so I don't really mind it.

 - Slime
 [ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Withdrawing .. darn it
Date: 1 Feb 2005 08:38:06
Message: <41ff3fee@news.povray.org>
"John D. Gwinner" <joh### [at] cornelledu> wrote in message
news:41ff37a1$1@news.povray.org...
> Well, I just missed the deadline - when I started to type this, there were
> 22 mins to go or so, but at line 440 out of 571 to go ... obviously, it's
> not going to make it.

Damn, that's a real shame John!  I was really hoping no one would run out of
time :/

Still, like Slime said, it's not a total loss - at least you have another
render under your belt.

I know how it feels though, to miss a deadline like that... :((

Lance.

thezone - thezone.firewave.com.au
thehandle - www.thehandle.com
From: Marc Jacquier
Subject: Re: Withdrawing .. darn it
Date: 1 Feb 2005 10:28:35
Message: <41ff59d3$1@news.povray.org>
"John D. Gwinner" <joh### [at] cornelledu> a écrit dans le message de
news:41ff37a1$1@news.povray.org...
> Well, I just missed the deadline - when I started to type this, there were
> 22 mins to go or so, but at line 440 out of 571 to go ... obviously, it's
> not going to make it.
>
> Rats.  I'm sooo frustrated.
Too bad! Must be a heartbreaker :(((


Marc
From: emkaah
Subject: Re: Withdrawing .. darn it
Date: 1 Feb 2005 10:58:58
Message: <41ff60f2$1@news.povray.org>
http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/108629.html
From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: Withdrawing .. darn it
Date: 1 Feb 2005 13:32:08
Message: <41ff84d8@news.povray.org>
If you managed to get it finished, why don't you submit it anyhow ? If
you email the support line they can re-enable your login. Then, at least
it will be displayed with the other entries.

-- Chris
From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: Withdrawing .. darn it
Date: 1 Feb 2005 14:32:50
Message: <41ff9312$1@news.povray.org>
John D. Gwinner wrote:
> Well, I just missed the deadline - when I started to type this, there were 
> 22 mins to go or so, but at line 440 out of 571 to go ... obviously, it's 
> not going to make it.
> 
> Rats.  I'm sooo frustrated.
> 
> Well, there were a few errors in the image anyway, my radiosity settings 
> interferred with my terrain and washed it out so the impact wouldn't have 
> been there.  Same terrain I've been using for 3 weeks, but I fiddled with 
> the texture in the last 3 days and apparently it didn't work with radiosity.
> 
> I think I ran into a bug with fog 2 that's different than the known bug, 
> I'll try and duplicate it.  Probably I messed up the SDL.
> 
> The worst, however, was two multiple crashes of MegaPOV on the scene at 
> about halfway through, this afternoon.  After attempting to continue with 
> POVRay, it worked, but scrambled the top half of the image, and I was scared 
> to mess with it.  After looking at it just now, it appears the file saved 
> was correct, so it must be a display bug with +C switching between MegaPOV 
> and POVRay.  I'll post the crash address if I can find it.  I was SO happy 
> yesterday as I went to sleep and started the final image ...  well, clearly 
> I should have started earlier.
> 
> I had a few test runs that weren't too bad (not as much detail) but I hadn't 
> saved the detail zoom in so I would gather I can't post them anyway.  Next 
> time, I'll do complete dry run before the final image 'just in case'.  If 
> there is a next time ...
> 
> oh yea, 4 mins to go and line 456 out of 571 ... there it goes, 00:01.  :(
> 
>         == John == 
> 
> 
> 
> ÿþ<
I commiserate.
From: Phlip
Subject: Re: Withdrawing .. darn it
Date: 1 Feb 2005 14:47:06
Message: <41ff966a@news.povray.org>
John D. Gwinner wrote:

> Well, I just missed the deadline - when I started to type this, there were
> 22 mins to go or so, but at line 440 out of 571 to go ... obviously, it's
> not going to make it.

The lesson is everyone attempting to enter the competition should have
rendered a submission quality image each weekend, from the start of the
contest until now. Then if you can't render your best version, you can
submit the second best.

Frequent releases also teach how long a render takes.

This is a "best practice" in software engineering.

-- 
  Phlip
  http://industrialxp.org/community/bin/view/Main/TestFirstUserInterfaces
From: John D  Gwinner
Subject: Re: Withdrawing .. darn it
Date: 1 Feb 2005 15:46:32
Message: <41ffa458$1@news.povray.org>
*lol*

Of course.

"emkaah" <emkaah@yahoodotcom> wrote in message 
news:41ff60f2$1@news.povray.org...
> http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/108629.html
>
From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: Withdrawing .. darn it
Date: 1 Feb 2005 15:54:37
Message: <41ffa63d$1@news.povray.org>
Phlip wrote:
> John D. Gwinner wrote:
> 
> 
>>Well, I just missed the deadline - when I started to type this, there were
>>22 mins to go or so, but at line 440 out of 571 to go ... obviously, it's
>>not going to make it.
> 
> 
> The lesson is everyone attempting to enter the competition should have
> rendered a submission quality image each weekend, from the start of the
> contest until now. Then if you can't render your best version, you can
> submit the second best.
> 
> Frequent releases also teach how long a render takes.
> 
> This is a "best practice" in software engineering.
> 
Yeah yeah yeah, but the real world is messy.  I did a lot of due 
diligence full blown testing myself, along with clever speed testing, 
and built a lot into my code to facilitate that,... but I still got a 
big surprise during the final push at the end.  I, myself, was forced to 
enter a set of renders that I did in just the spirit you describe.  But 
they look embarassing to me now. They could have been improved 
dramatically with just a few "plan B" tweaks, once it was obvious that a 
technique I was depending on wouldn't work, but instead I had to watch, 
helplessly, as the clock ticked down, just as John did.
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