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On 5/10/2016 8:28 PM, Norbert Kern wrote:
> "Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscape net> wrote:
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>> I have lost my entire paper library, and would like to find a copy of Asimov's
>> tale of the goose who laid the golden egg. It's brilliantly written, and
>> following up on your speculation, you'd find a very interesting read. :)
>
> I just read a summary of Asimov's tale - very funny!
>
> Personally I think intelligence is a ubiquitary phenomenon and is easy to create
> and implement. Imho Valentin Braitenberg or Dietrich Dörner were on the right
> track. E.g. far senses like vision are needed - how to implement those?
> In nature you had cellular caves with light sensitive cells and an information
> transport. If you are a flexible noble metal, you can tempoarily build
> oxygen-based semiconductor layers and so on.
>
Seems reasonable.
> Anyway - if you interact with an environment, at first you have to transform
> yourself constantly, adapting surface layers (more normals than pigments in
> povray?) and secondly you move by liquifying parts of your structure (even more
> normals!)
> This is, what I want to see in a good material...
>
You are frightening me. :-)
Too much of an insight.
>> Excellent work.
>> I agree with Stephen - if those are "failed" attempts... :O
>
> Here is a better attempt - not necessarily pretty, but imho a bit more
> plausible...
>
>
Well, shiny isn't everything.
It is hard to see your texture. It is obscured by the geometry. Quite
amazing.
--
Regards
Stephen
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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> You are frightening me. :-)
> Too much of an insight.
Only some nerdy thoughts.
Really interesting are the social consequences, if small separated metal parts
can act independant from each other...
> Well, shiny isn't everything.
> It is hard to see your texture. It is obscured by the geometry. Quite
> amazing.
I learned decades ago - pulverized metals are darker than solids, non-metals get
brighter (band gaps bla, bla..). This is hard to realize within a povray
material, but you are right - fractalized or micronized metals aren't very
shiny. To my knowlwdge this is especially true for noble metals.
To obscure structure and texture contributions is one of my few standard tricks.
Here is the basic little fractal...
Norbert
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On 5/10/2016 10:16 PM, Norbert Kern wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
>> You are frightening me. :-)
>> Too much of an insight.
>
> Only some nerdy thoughts.
> Really interesting are the social consequences, if small separated metal parts
> can act independant from each other...
>
I will let you know when I finish reading Stephen Baxter's Proxima.
There is/are one of those in it.
>> Well, shiny isn't everything.
>> It is hard to see your texture. It is obscured by the geometry. Quite
>> amazing.
>
> I learned decades ago - pulverized metals are darker than solids, non-metals get
> brighter (band gaps bla, bla..). This is hard to realize within a povray
> material, but you are right - fractalized or micronized metals aren't very
> shiny. To my knowlwdge this is especially true for noble metals.
>
> To obscure structure and texture contributions is one of my few standard tricks.
> Here is the basic little fractal...
>
I recognised the shape but the texture you used fits the fractal like a
glove. It introduces subtleties to what you see. so you don't see it as
a texture but as the object. (Sorry if my age group is showing)
It is one of the best fractal images I've seen and it is monochrome.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 2016/05/10 05:47 PM, Norbert Kern wrote:
> But perhaps a metal intelligence with deforming abilities is able to deal with
> nuclear forces?
>
Or perhaps it's their lifeblood in some way.
--
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-Nekar Xenos-
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On 05/10/2016 10:03 AM, Bald Eagle wrote:
[snip...]
> I have lost my entire paper library, and would like to find a copy of Asimov's
> tale of the goose who laid the golden egg. It's brilliantly written, and
> following up on your speculation, you'd find a very interesting read. :)
>
It's in the book Asimov's Mysteries, the title of the story is Pâté de Foie Gras.
I'm sure it's available in other collections as well, but I have it in this book.
I agree, it's a fun story! :-)
--
-=- Larry -=-
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On 10-5-2016 21:28, Norbert Kern wrote:
> Anyway - if you interact with an environment, at first you have to transform
> yourself constantly, adapting surface layers (more normals than pigments in
> povray?) and secondly you move by liquifying parts of your structure (even more
> normals!)
> This is, what I want to see in a good material...
I wonder if in a living metal crystallisation processes would not be
essential.
I am speechless about the high standards of your creations.
--
Thomas
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On 11-5-2016 4:31, Nekar Xenos wrote:
> On 2016/05/10 05:47 PM, Norbert Kern wrote:
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>> But perhaps a metal intelligence with deforming abilities is able to
>> deal with
>> nuclear forces?
>>
> Or perhaps it's their lifeblood in some way.
>
Yes, I think too that that is the core truth of the matter.
--
Thomas
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Norbert Kern wrote on 10/05/2016 21.28:
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> Here is a better attempt - not necessarily pretty, but imho a bit more
> plausible...
>
> Norbert
>
This one is beautiful!
Paolo
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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> I will let you know when I finish reading Stephen Baxter's Proxima.
> There is/are one of those in it.
Interesting!
Norbert
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Nekar Xenos <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 2016/05/10 05:47 PM, Norbert Kern wrote:
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> > But perhaps a metal intelligence with deforming abilities is able to deal with
> > nuclear forces?
> >
> Or perhaps it's their lifeblood in some way.
>
> -Nekar Xenos-
Frightening - a civilisation born near the surface of a neutron star...
If such species would come to earth, I can imagine every chemistry possible and
some new ones too. Materials with every color, even a metallic "gas" with
densities much higher than 40 g/ml or higher.
Perhaps this is the "solution" - individuals as mini neutron stars, interacting
with each other and building structures via electron transfer.
This gives me new ideas - thank you!
Norbert
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