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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Trio
Date: 17 Dec 2014 23:29:05
Message: <54925811@news.povray.org>

> "Nekar Xenos" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>> My harddrive crashed in 2007, I did the paint macro after that :)
>
> And I trust you have been keeping faithful backups ever since.  (And to a
> different device, too.  One POVer faithfully backed up his files to a different
> folder on the /same device/, and you can guess what happened next.)
>
> "There are only two types of hard drives, the ones that have failed and the ones
> that have not failed yet." --Steve Rider
>
> "I've never met anyone who regretted making a backup." --Steve Rider
>
>

"If it's on only one device, it's not backed up"


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Trio
Date: 19 Dec 2014 03:39:06
Message: <5493e42a$1@news.povray.org>
On 17/12/2014 20:31, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:17:15 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Your ex-pat countrymen paint a picture that is not attractive of the SA
>> way of life.
>
> It's not just ex-pats.  I've a friend who lives in Jo'berg, and she's had
> her office broken into numerous times (and all of the equipment stolen).
> There clearly are places that are not safe in SA, and you can't count on
> the police to deal with such crimes effectively.  I'm sure there are
> places where that's not the case, but I would also hesitate to travel
> there right now.


I would not mind, in fact I would like to visit SA. From what I have 
heard it is a beautiful place in most parts. I suppose that most of the 
South Africans I have met need to justify leaving their country and 
emphasise the darker* aspects of life there.
I am not saying that security is not a problem especially if you are 
well off. I have lived and worked in some dodgy places but if you use a 
bit of common sense and respect. You would need to be unlucky to run 
into trouble. A case in point is when I was stopped at a roadblock in 
Kingston Jamaica, by a machete wielding group of locals. Who politely 
asked for a donation to repair the road. “No problems, how much do you 
want?” I paid up and went on my way. Coming back I was stopped again. I 
blurted out that I had already paid on the way out of town (instantly 
regretting it btw). The reply was. “Sorry man, didn’t recognise you.” 
Right! How many dandelion headed white men did he see in a day? But 
there was respect on both sides. So everything was fine. I even left 
them laughing over trying to get money out of a Scotsman.
I could go on. But will just finish with the last time I was nervous 
about my personal safety was in America. NM next to the Texas border. A 
discussion in a bar about incomers turned heated between two locals. 
Remembering the gun laws, I made my excuses and left. No offence 
intended but I felt out of my depth and thought it the better part of 
valour, to be somewhere else :-)


* Don't read anything into that.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Nekar Xenos
Subject: Re: Trio
Date: 19 Dec 2014 08:25:01
Message: <web.5494260db5a7cbb33a9094900@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> On 17/12/2014 20:31, Jim Henderson wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:17:15 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> >
> >> Your ex-pat countrymen paint a picture that is not attractive of the SA
> >> way of life.
> >
> > It's not just ex-pats.  I've a friend who lives in Jo'berg, and she's had
> > her office broken into numerous times (and all of the equipment stolen).
> > There clearly are places that are not safe in SA, and you can't count on
> > the police to deal with such crimes effectively.  I'm sure there are
> > places where that's not the case, but I would also hesitate to travel
> > there right now.
>
>
> I would not mind, in fact I would like to visit SA. From what I have
> heard it is a beautiful place in most parts. I suppose that most of the
> South Africans I have met need to justify leaving their country and
> emphasise the darker* aspects of life there.
> I am not saying that security is not a problem especially if you are
> well off. I have lived and worked in some dodgy places but if you use a
> bit of common sense and respect. You would need to be unlucky to run
> into trouble. A case in point is when I was stopped at a roadblock in
> Kingston Jamaica, by a machete wielding group of locals. Who politely
> asked for a donation to repair the road. “No problems, how much do you
> want?” I paid up and went on my way. Coming back I was stopped again. I
> blurted out that I had already paid on the way out of town (instantly
> regretting it btw). The reply was. “Sorry man, didn’t recognise you.”
> Right! How many dandelion headed white men did he see in a day? But
> there was respect on both sides. So everything was fine. I even left
> them laughing over trying to get money out of a Scotsman.
> I could go on. But will just finish with the last time I was nervous
> about my personal safety was in America. NM next to the Texas border. A
> discussion in a bar about incomers turned heated between two locals.
> Remembering the gun laws, I made my excuses and left. No offence
> intended but I felt out of my depth and thought it the better part of
> valour, to be somewhere else :-)
>
>
> * Don't read anything into that.
>
> --
>

Thar's true. It all depends o  where you go an your attitude. If you're in a
dodgy area and a stranger is trying to be friendly with you, he's probably
trying to rob you. I've only been robbed at gunpoint once - and that was at the
workplace.

-Nekar Xenos-


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Trio
Date: 19 Dec 2014 11:30:11
Message: <54945293$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:39:01 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> On 17/12/2014 20:31, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:17:15 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Your ex-pat countrymen paint a picture that is not attractive of the
>>> SA way of life.
>>
>> It's not just ex-pats.  I've a friend who lives in Jo'berg, and she's
>> had her office broken into numerous times (and all of the equipment
>> stolen). There clearly are places that are not safe in SA, and you
>> can't count on the police to deal with such crimes effectively.  I'm
>> sure there are places where that's not the case, but I would also
>> hesitate to travel there right now.
> 
> 
> I would not mind, in fact I would like to visit SA. From what I have
> heard it is a beautiful place in most parts. I suppose that most of the
> South Africans I have met need to justify leaving their country and
> emphasise the darker* aspects of life there.

Well, my friend who lives there isn't looking to leave - she's very happy 
there.  The break-ins happened while she was off camping.

> I am not saying that security is not a problem especially if you are
> well off. I have lived and worked in some dodgy places but if you use a
> bit of common sense and respect. 

That often can help, but not always.  I know in one instance, those who 
robbed the place broke in while they were off camping, and they took 
*everything* - computers, software, etc.  Alarm system on the building 
was useless.

> You would need to be unlucky to run
> into trouble. A case in point is when I was stopped at a roadblock in
> Kingston Jamaica, by a machete wielding group of locals. Who politely
> asked for a donation to repair the road. “No problems, how much do you
> want?” I paid up and went on my way. Coming back I was stopped again. I
> blurted out that I had already paid on the way out of town (instantly
> regretting it btw). The reply was. “Sorry man, didn’t recognise you.”
> Right! How many dandelion headed white men did he see in a day? But
> there was respect on both sides. So everything was fine. I even left
> them laughing over trying to get money out of a Scotsman.
> I could go on. But will just finish with the last time I was nervous
> about my personal safety was in America. NM next to the Texas border. A
> discussion in a bar about incomers turned heated between two locals.
> Remembering the gun laws, I made my excuses and left. No offence
> intended but I felt out of my depth and thought it the better part of
> valour, to be somewhere else :-)

Oh, sure, the gun laws here in the US are *nuts*, and there are a lot of 
truly crazy people here who manage to build arsenals that go far beyond 
personal safety.

I was in Arizona about 15 years ago for the first time, and one of my 
coworkers (who lived there) said "if someone cuts you off on the road, 
just let it go - don't flip them off, don't lay into your horn - because 
you never know who's going to be armed and decide to shoot you for doing 
even that much."

Yet if you try to get any kind of even sensible dialog going about gun 
control, you get people saying incredibly stupid things like "if you take 
guns away, only criminals will have guns, because you can't stop the flow 
of guns" or even worse "someone who's determined will find a way.  
They'll use a knife if they have to."

Yeah, but how often is a knife-wielding lunatic going to take out a 
classroom of 45 students + teacher?  Answer:  Not bloody likely.

Jim




-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Trio
Date: 19 Dec 2014 12:26:31
Message: <54945fc7$1@news.povray.org>
On 12/19/2014 04:39 AM, Stephen wrote:
> I could go on. But will just finish with the last time I was nervous
> about my personal safety was in America. NM next to the Texas border. A
> discussion in a bar about incomers turned heated between two locals.
> Remembering the gun laws, I made my excuses and left. No offence
> intended but I felt out of my depth and thought it the better part of
> valour, to be somewhere else :-)

As a red-blooded 'Murcan myself, I don't blame you.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Trio
Date: 19 Dec 2014 14:39:44
Message: <54947f00@news.povray.org>
On 19/12/2014 17:26, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> As a red-blooded 'Murcan myself, I don't blame you.


Sorry Cuz,
Is 'Murcan local for 'Merican?

If so see reply to Jim (later).

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann
Subject: Re: Trio
Date: 20 Dec 2014 04:04:32
Message: <54953ba0$1@news.povray.org>
Hi(gh)!

On 19.12.2014 20:39, Stephen wrote:

> Sorry Cuz,
> Is 'Murcan local for 'Merican?

I think so... but what is a *red-blooded* Murcan? A redneck? Or rather a 
Murcan with Native American ancestors?

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Trio
Date: 20 Dec 2014 04:58:30
Message: <54954846$1@news.povray.org>
On 20/12/2014 09:05, Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann wrote:
> Hi(gh)!
>
> On 19.12.2014 20:39, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Sorry Cuz,
>> Is 'Murcan local for 'Merican?
>
> I think so... but what is a *red-blooded* Murcan? A redneck? Or rather a
> Murcan with Native American ancestors?
>
I think, probably American. Might be Mercian but I think not. That was 
one of the old kingdoms of England. From before the French colonised them.

No red-blooded means virile, sub text true and loyal.

FYI blue-blooded means royal or of royal descent.


-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Trio
Date: 20 Dec 2014 06:23:48
Message: <54955c44$1@news.povray.org>
On 19/12/2014 16:30, Jim Henderson wrote:
> That often can help, but not always.  I know in one instance, those who
> robbed the place broke in while they were off camping, and they took
> *everything*  - computers, software, etc.  Alarm system on the building
> was useless.
>

That can happen anywhere.


>> >Remembering the gun laws, I made my excuses and left. No offence
>> >intended but I felt out of my depth and thought it the better part of
>> >valour, to be somewhere else:-)
> Oh, sure, the gun laws here in the US are*nuts*, and there are a lot of
> truly crazy people here who manage to build arsenals that go far beyond
> personal safety.
>

Or hunting. How can you say that you need a machine gun to hunt. Unless 
you are hunting mince or ground meat.

> I was in Arizona about 15 years ago for the first time, and one of my
> coworkers (who lived there) said "if someone cuts you off on the road,
> just let it go - don't flip them off, don't lay into your horn - because
> you never know who's going to be armed and decide to shoot you for doing
> even that much."
>
Is that not the reason given by the pro gun lobby?
The black hats won't know which white hat is carrying.

> Yet if you try to get any kind of even sensible dialog going about gun
> control, you get people saying incredibly stupid things like "if you take
> guns away, only criminals will have guns, because you can't stop the flow
> of guns"

Easy peasy, shoot everyone who is carrying a gun. By definition they are 
criminals. And since guns are designed to kill not incapacitate I am 
sure that they won't mind having done to them what they intend to do to 
others.

> or even worse "someone who's determined will find a way.

Well that is true but it takes away the unpremeditated aspect.

> They'll use a knife if they have to."
>

Then they will need to get up close and personal. So it is not so 
attractive a proposition.

> Yeah, but how often is a knife-wielding lunatic going to take out a
> classroom of 45 students + teacher?  Answer:  Not bloody likely.

Unless they are wearing a bandoleer of throwing knifes. ;-)

The one thing that I have not heard, is about teaching children how to 
shoot. Gun safety is one thing you should learn if you have to have a 
gun. But no one mentions adolescents with hormone surges. I know that 
during that phase young people are not the most rational creatures in 
the world. Yet some are given guns and rifles before they are tall 
enough to see over them.



-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Trio
Date: 20 Dec 2014 12:21:59
Message: <5495b037@news.povray.org>
On 20/12/14 09:58, Stephen wrote:
> 
> FYI blue-blooded means royal or of royal descent.
> 

Bend your knee when addressing Us. We are of Royal descent - albeit
Hungarian royal blood.

We said: BOW, peasants :-D

King John
-- 
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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