On 19/12/2014 16:30, Jim Henderson wrote:
> That often can help, but not always.  I know in one instance, those who
> robbed the place broke in while they were off camping, and they took
> *everything*  - computers, software, etc.  Alarm system on the building
> was useless.
>

That can happen anywhere.


>> >Remembering the gun laws, I made my excuses and left. No offence
>> >intended but I felt out of my depth and thought it the better part of
>> >valour, to be somewhere else:-)
> Oh, sure, the gun laws here in the US are*nuts*, and there are a lot of
> truly crazy people here who manage to build arsenals that go far beyond
> personal safety.
>

Or hunting. How can you say that you need a machine gun to hunt. Unless 
you are hunting mince or ground meat.

> I was in Arizona about 15 years ago for the first time, and one of my
> coworkers (who lived there) said "if someone cuts you off on the road,
> just let it go - don't flip them off, don't lay into your horn - because
> you never know who's going to be armed and decide to shoot you for doing
> even that much."
>
Is that not the reason given by the pro gun lobby?
The black hats won't know which white hat is carrying.

> Yet if you try to get any kind of even sensible dialog going about gun
> control, you get people saying incredibly stupid things like "if you take
> guns away, only criminals will have guns, because you can't stop the flow
> of guns"

Easy peasy, shoot everyone who is carrying a gun. By definition they are 
criminals. And since guns are designed to kill not incapacitate I am 
sure that they won't mind having done to them what they intend to do to 
others.

> or even worse "someone who's determined will find a way.

Well that is true but it takes away the unpremeditated aspect.

> They'll use a knife if they have to."
>

Then they will need to get up close and personal. So it is not so 
attractive a proposition.

> Yeah, but how often is a knife-wielding lunatic going to take out a
> classroom of 45 students + teacher?  Answer:  Not bloody likely.

Unless they are wearing a bandoleer of throwing knifes. ;-)

The one thing that I have not heard, is about teaching children how to 
shoot. Gun safety is one thing you should learn if you have to have a 
gun. But no one mentions adolescents with hormone surges. I know that 
during that phase young people are not the most rational creatures in 
the world. Yet some are given guns and rifles before they are tall 
enough to see over them.



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Regards
     Stephen

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