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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 23 Mar 2018 00:02:42
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Yes, you are right - I have no knowledge, too, of any steamer who had 3
wheels. But then again, fantasy and creativity is the key to more fun!
This one I am "building", has 3 wheels! :-)
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 23 Mar 2018 03:51:15
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On 23-3-2018 5:02, Sven Littkowski wrote:
> Yes, you are right - I have no knowledge, too, of any steamer who had 3
> wheels. But then again, fantasy and creativity is the key to more fun!
> This one I am "building", has 3 wheels! :-)
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Steampunk then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk
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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 23 Mar 2018 06:50:56
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Hmmm, "punk" has a negative association with me, but you still might be
correct with this term.
Have you ever worked with Poser? I want to populate the scenery. I have
so many ideas.But I have no clue, how to create the clothing of the
1850s with Poser. I want even figures like Huckleberry Finn and others
which were typical for those years on and around the Mississippi.
I also want to create these huge rafts with houses on them. Just a real
Mississippi scene, basically. Let's see how far I will reach.
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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 23 Mar 2018 06:55:00
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Update. some "water test".
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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 23 Mar 2018 14:38:16
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On 03/21/2018 11:16 PM, Sven Littkowski wrote:
> If we have artists here in this group who are good in re-creating
> persons from the era 1850 to 1870 (white Americans, native Americans,
> black Americans), then feel free to create a number of persons.
Don't forget Chinese Americans. They helped build the western portion
of the transcontinental railroad during the 1860s.
There is a tricky question of historical accuracy. The lower
Mississippi Valley was violently segregated by race until the 1960s.
The period you are aiming at was a tumultuous period in American
history, and at the root was race-based slavery.
In 1853, black Americans were stripped of their citizenship by the
Supreme Court. Even in states where slavery was already illegal, a free
black person could be kidnapped and sold down south, and there would no
legal recourse.
From 1861 to 1865, the USA fell into a vicious civil war that dwarfed
the violence seen in Latin America during the 20th century. Despite
what history textbooks may tell us, the issue was slavery.
In 1865, slavery was outlawed nationwide. However, it wasn't until 1868
that black Americans regained their citizenship, and not until 1870 that
they were guaranteed the right to vote. Meanwhile violence against
blacks continued. In 1865 and 1866, southern states passed
discriminatory laws, and in 1896, racial segregation was upheld legally
by the Supreme Court. The last of the discriminatory laws was not
overturned until 1967.
And of course, all during the 19th century, it was open season on Native
Americans. They, like blacks, were viewed by most whites as subhuman
savages with no human rights. Most of them were forcibly driven into
the western plains decades before 1850 (Google Trail of Tears), and it
was unlikely that you would find one around the lower Mississippi to
board the boat.
Given this history, please keep in mind what the seating arrangements
must have looked like during this period--unless historical accuracy is
not your goal.
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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 23 Mar 2018 21:49:06
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Thanks for the information. Most was known already, but a few things
were new. And yes - of course I want authentic passengers and staff. But
tell me, how to create them? Any advises?
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 23 Mar 2018 23:57:36
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On 24/03/2018 01:49, Sven Littkowski wrote:
> Thanks for the information. Most was known already, but a few things
> were new. And yes - of course I want authentic passengers and staff. But
> tell me, how to create them? Any advises?
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Daz Studio is a free alternative to Poser. I don't know about its
clothing capabilities. But there are quite a few sites that you can
download free props from.
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Stephen
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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 24 Mar 2018 16:16:09
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Hey, that's a good idea - I did not know about it! Thanks. Will check
right away!!! :-D
Do you have any idea, how I can get a ship's boat? I am looking for a
number of 1850s items to enrich the scene.
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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 24 Mar 2018 16:18:14
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UPDATE
Having made a small test-run for the transport items that will be, later
on, inside and around the yellow storage area. Cotton bales and hay
bales for now, but more to come.
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 24 Mar 2018 17:04:27
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On 24/03/2018 20:16, Sven Littkowski wrote:
> Hey, that's a good idea - I did not know about it! Thanks. Will check
> right away!!! :-D
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Be warned, it is a time sink.
> Do you have any idea, how I can get a ship's boat? I am looking for a
> number of 1850s items to enrich the scene.
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Not specifically 1850's.
Renderosity is a good site.
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/
Google 3D models. I lost a lot of links due to time and my last system
crash.
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Stephen
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