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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: WIP: mermaid (nsfw)
Date: 7 Oct 2014 12:25:00
Message: <web.5434135ff06154d05e7df57c0@news.povray.org>
Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 2014-10-06 17:53, andrel wrote:
> > My problem with the current placing is that as far as I know there is no
> > muscle there that could move the fin. Somewhat higher up one might use a
> > modified abdominal muscle.
> > I think if you make a vertebrate it should conform to the body plan of
> > vertebrates or at least be physiological plausible. That is why I am a
> > fan of Terryl Whitlatch (and not only because of the extra 'l' at the
> > end of her first name).

>>  The tail indicates that this is definitely not a fish, but a landanimal
readapted to the seas.

Going with the "vestigial dorsal fin" - maybe a modified coccyx, that looks a
bit better in my head - if the plan isn't to use spined vertebrae as a support
for the fin-skin (tm), then maybe just slightly extend the taper of the fin up
the back a bit?
Obviously Tim has his vision for what she is, and I'm no expert in
mer-physiology.

> I had moved the 'pectoral fins' upwards from these drawings so they'd be
> a little better-balanced, visually (would work by rotating the 'femur'
> upwards, keeping its joints intact, just shifting where the limb exits
> the thigh), and made other minor changes as I went, but am trying to
> keep to my musculature layout.

I must confess that I don't quite get what that explanation means - but that's
ok.
IIRC, horses have a way to lock their knees when they sleep - maybe the same
musculature would tie into the leg-fins.

Along the lines of her being an adapted land animal, perhaps it could be
interesting to add a bit more of a suggestive element to show the modified
skeletal structure.  Femurs tapering into long, thin tibias, and the foot bones
composing the tail-fin like the fingers bones compose the wings of a bat, with
the tail being the webbing.

Add a flatness or convexity between the femurs to hint at the origin from two
separate legs, or backlight and add some translucency to the flesh.

>> Another mild criticism is that she will be the last of the line.

Well, I suppose that could either be fleshed-out (pun intended) or perhaps there
is some visually well-hidden fold or other covering.

Aaaaanyway - just my mental wanderings on it.  You've certainly done a great job
getting her modeled and posing her in a nice looking scene.  Looking forward to
seeing where your imagination leads her!


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: WIP: mermaid (nsfw)
Date: 7 Oct 2014 15:11:52
Message: <54343af8$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/10/2014 17:22, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Along the lines of her being an adapted land animal,

It is a kelpie, for crying out loud. ;-)
It doesn't follow the rules of the blind watchmaker.


The next thing will be people saying that leprechauns wear green.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: WIP: mermaid (nsfw)
Date: 7 Oct 2014 15:30:01
Message: <web.54343e6cf06154d05e7df57c0@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:


> The next thing will be people saying that leprechauns wear green.

So true.  With all that gold, they most likely wear Armani.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: WIP: mermaid (nsfw)
Date: 7 Oct 2014 17:22:44
Message: <543459a4$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/10/2014 20:26, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
>
>> The next thing will be people saying that leprechauns wear green.
>
> So true.  With all that gold, they most likely wear Armani.
>
>
>
Red, It was Mr. Disney or his ilk that made them wear green. ;-)

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: WIP: mermaid (nsfw)
Date: 7 Oct 2014 23:55:00
Message: <web.5434b574f06154d0192ae5f10@news.povray.org>
Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> ...
> while the 'pectoral fins' are morphologically analogous to replacing the
> legs of a human at the acetabulum of the pelvis with a dolphin's forelimbs.

Shouldn't they be properly called pelvic fins, then?


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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: WIP: mermaid (nsfw)
Date: 8 Oct 2014 02:54:19
Message: <5434df9b$1@news.povray.org>
On 2014-10-07 22:54, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> ...
>> while the 'pectoral fins' are morphologically analogous to replacing the
>> legs of a human at the acetabulum of the pelvis with a dolphin's forelimbs.
>
> Shouldn't they be properly called pelvic fins, then?

Aye.  That's why I put it in quotes.  I use the term 'pectoral fin' 
purely because their shape and skeletal structure most resembles that 
part of a dolphin.

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.sjcook.com


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: WIP: mermaid (nsfw)
Date: 8 Oct 2014 03:31:53
Message: <5434e869$1@news.povray.org>
On 7-10-2014 23:22, Stephen wrote:
> On 07/10/2014 20:26, Bald Eagle wrote:
>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The next thing will be people saying that leprechauns wear green.
>>
>> So true.  With all that gold, they most likely wear Armani.
>>
>>
>>
> Red, It was Mr. Disney or his ilk that made them wear green. ;-)
>

But only their waistcoats to be sure, are red! And with big silver 
buckles on their shoes! And if they want to follow Mr Disney's clothing 
advice, it is up to them. :-D

I just happen to read at the moment 'Irish Folk & Fairy Tales' collected 
by Michael Scott, and this is how a leprechaun is described in one of 
them: "...dressed in a red waistcoat, green jacket, long green hose and 
wearing a pair of huge black brogues with enormous silver buckles." 
Apart from that, the dress code seems free where hats are concerned 
however, but the pipe is mandatory it seems.

Thomas

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: WIP: mermaid (nsfw)
Date: 8 Oct 2014 04:14:13
Message: <5434f255@news.povray.org>
On 08/10/2014 08:31, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> Red, It was Mr. Disney or his ilk that made them wear green. ;-)
>>
>
> But only their waistcoats to be sure, are red! And with big silver
> buckles on their shoes! And if they want to follow Mr Disney's clothing
> advice, it is up to them. :-D
>
> I just happen to read at the moment 'Irish Folk & Fairy Tales' collected
> by Michael Scott, and this is how a leprechaun is described in one of
> them: "...dressed in a red waistcoat, green jacket, long green hose and
> wearing a pair of huge black brogues with enormous silver buckles."
> Apart from that, the dress code seems free where hats are concerned
> however, but the pipe is mandatory it seems.


Cobblers! ;-)

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Paolo Gibellini
Subject: Re: WIP: mermaid (nsfw)
Date: 8 Oct 2014 05:28:55
Message: <543503d7$1@news.povray.org>
Tim Cook wrote on 06/10/2014 22.02:
> Further progress on my mermaid mesh, dubbed off a copy and rearranged it
> some to be posed to show what it could end up being able to do.
>
> --
> Tim Cook
> http://empyrean.sjcook.com

Ethereal and nice: a good shot!
Paolo


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: WIP: mermaid (nsfw)
Date: 8 Oct 2014 07:14:44
Message: <54351ca4@news.povray.org>
On 8-10-2014 10:14, Stephen wrote:
> Cobblers! ;-)
>

And full of mischief... :-)

Thomas


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