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From: emkaah
Subject: shroud of turin
Date: 24 Jul 2004 22:44:54
Message: <41031ea6@news.povray.org>
I am not religous or so, but I wanted to see how the 'shroud of Turin' 
looks with Povrays heightfields. No need of much skills and it probably 
has been done before in Pov, but I think it looks rather interesting. At 
least I think Mel Gibson would think so.


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From: Eli
Subject: Re: shroud of turin
Date: 24 Jul 2004 22:49:54
Message: <41031fd2@news.povray.org>
Did you know that with very high probability the shroud of Turin has been
created by Leonardo da Vinci?


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From: emkaah
Subject: Re: shroud of turin
Date: 24 Jul 2004 23:18:31
Message: <41032687@news.povray.org>
No, I didn't know that. But I can see were that is comming from; the 
shroud if it is a fake is absolutely done by a genius and Leonardo 
worked in Turin.

But on the other hand the shroud was first recorded in history around 
1350, C14 (carbondioxide)-tests of the shroud points also to that date. 
Leonardo da Vinci was born a hundred years later.

One of the many theories, but the shroud stays still a mystery.

Eli wrote:

> Did you know that with very high probability the shroud of Turin has been
> created by Leonardo da Vinci?
> 
>


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From: Hughes, B 
Subject: Re: shroud of turin
Date: 24 Jul 2004 23:19:46
Message: <410326d2$1@news.povray.org>
"Eli" <eli### [at] jehoelnet> wrote in message news:41031fd2@news.povray.org...
> Did you know that with very high probability the shroud of Turin has been
> created by Leonardo da Vinci?

Interesting possibility, yes. I was watching a television show about that
tonight. Had seen part of it recently but saw more this time. They show a
camera obscura which he drew and the speculation is that with crude lenses
of the time it would have been possible to create a photo image on cloth
that had photo-reactive chemicals on it. DaVinci had read what an Arabic man
had done with such chemicals. Didn't see if they tried to prove those
chemicals might have been embedded in the cloth, I was interrupted by a
phone call.

This 3D image looks very good. This must be the film "negative" sort of
thing, with dark areas being toward white and light areas being toward
black.

Bob H.


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From: Eli
Subject: Re: shroud of turin
Date: 25 Jul 2004 10:53:24
Message: <4103c964$1@news.povray.org>
It would have been impossible if Leonardo had died a hundred years earlier!


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From: Eli
Subject: Re: shroud of turin
Date: 25 Jul 2004 10:53:50
Message: <4103c97e@news.povray.org>
That's exactly what I have seen some time ago.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: shroud of turin
Date: 25 Jul 2004 13:35:06
Message: <4103ef4a@news.povray.org>
Eli wrote:
> It would have been impossible if Leonardo had died a hundred years earlier!

So, Leonardo making the shroud before he was born is impossible, but 
Jesus coming back to life after having died in the shroud is perfectly 
reasonable? ;-)


[Just stirring up trouble. :-]


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From: emkaah
Subject: Re: shroud of turin
Date: 25 Jul 2004 16:14:40
Message: <410414b0$1@news.povray.org>
Yeah, it seems that every five years or so a new theory emerges about 
this shroud. Just like with the pyramids of Giza or the existence of 
Atlantis, etc. At least it makes some cool documentaries.

Eli wrote:

> That's exactly what I have seen some time ago.
> 
>


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From: Matt Burns
Subject: Re: shroud of turin
Date: 25 Jul 2004 16:30:05
Message: <4104184d$1@news.povray.org>
Hi!

Anytime the issue of shroud of Turin is raised, people always discuss the
matter that if it was an artifact, then the maker would have to be a genius.
I always have an  unpleasant suspicion, that hundreds of years after
crucifiction, some people inpired by the Bible tried to re-enact the
Passion, and... ritually murdered a man, than preserved "the sacred shroud"
with the impression of his body. Dating with C14 leaves no doubts as to the
authenticity of the alleged shroud, however no pre-Renaissance painter would
be able to do it so accurately. Unfortunaly we do not know, and will never
do, the name of this poor soul.

Using HF to produce a rough 3D outline of the body wrapped in the shroud was
the first forensic CG application, known to me. Nice picture anyways.

Matt B.

Uzytkownik "Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> napisal w wiadomosci
news:4103ef4a@news.povray.org...
> Eli wrote:
> > It would have been impossible if Leonardo had died a hundred years
earlier!
>
> So, Leonardo making the shroud before he was born is impossible, but
> Jesus coming back to life after having died in the shroud is perfectly
> reasonable? ;-)
>
>
> [Just stirring up trouble. :-]


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: shroud of turin
Date: 25 Jul 2004 17:02:26
Message: <41041fe2$1@news.povray.org>
Matt Burns wrote:
> Dating with C14 leaves no doubts as to the
> authenticity of the alleged shroud, 

Not quite true. All C14 can tell you is how long ago the live beings 
that made up the shroud's material died. It can't tell you whether the 
flax (or whatever) was harvested 500 years before it was woven into 
cloth, let alone when the impression was made onto the cloth, let alone 
who the impression is of.

C14 dating works because there's a certain proportion of radioactive 
carbon in carbon dioxide (and other carbon compounds) that is maintained 
  by cosmic radiation, background radiation from stuff like uranium 
decaying, and etc. As long as you keep breathing, you flush out the 
radioactive carbon that has decayed and replace it with freshly-created 
radioactive carbon. Once you die, this stops happening.

If the halflife of the carbon is (say) 30,000 years (I think it's 
something around there) and you measure the ratio of radioactive carbon 
in the sample vs non-radioactive carbon, and it's half what you find in 
living beings today, then that substance was alive 30,000 years ago. But 
that doesn't really tell you much, if there's an intentional scam going on.

If you look up the details behind the "Vikings Discovered America" hoax, 
you find that it's quite likely a priest in the WW2 era took a page out 
of the back of a book several hundred years old and draw a map of 
America on it with nordic notations, and left it where it could be found 
by the Nazis. That doesn't meant the map was several hundred years old.

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