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Am 16.08.2014 10:53, schrieb Stephen:
>> It might just as well be that a "non-heart-side stance" is simply a
>> better choice when encountering someone you don't trust because the
>> typically stronger right arm is better suited for fending off the other
>> person.
>
> That makes sense to me too. Look at fighters, swordsmen lead with their
> dominant side unless they have a shield. Then that is the side they lead
> with. Boxers lead with their "shield" side for protection. If they lead
> with their right hand forward they have a special name, southpaw. In
> judo it is the opposite way. So I think that this has to do with the
> discipline.
> In non fighting encounters. I have noticed that most people put their
> shaking hand forward.
Note that shaking hands wasn't originally a gesture of friendly greeting
at all: Wealthy people would have their servants shake the hands of
visitors to expose weapons hidden in the sleeves.
(Or so I've heard tell.)
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Am 15.08.2014 18:41, schrieb Stephen:
> On 15/08/2014 12:32, clipka wrote:
>> Am 15.08.2014 11:14, schrieb Stephen:
>
>>> Ah! it appears in PoseRay as a right hand drive. (The way that God
>>> intended. :-P )
>>
>> Well, there /is/ some practical reason why driving on the right lane is
>> more natural.
>
> Did the Supernatural Being of your choice tell you that? :-P
BTW, probably the oldest decree with respect to left- vs. right-side
traffic is indeed a papal one, dating to 1300, and orders pilgrims to
walk on the /right/ side of a particularly congested bridge in Rome
(1300 being a "jubilee year", even more pilgrims flocked to Rome than
normally).
That aside, it is obvious that the /right/ side to drive on is the
/right/ side, right?
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On 16/08/2014 17:19, clipka wrote:
> Note that shaking hands wasn't originally a gesture of friendly greeting
> at all: Wealthy people would have their servants shake the hands of
> visitors to expose weapons hidden in the sleeves.
>
> (Or so I've heard tell.)
I did not know that.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 16/08/2014 17:12, clipka wrote:
> Am 16.08.2014 15:59, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> On 16-8-2014 15:10, Le_Forgeron wrote:
>>
>>> Last note: trains run on left, but tramways is a different story, and
>>> metro/tube too, they run on right (like car) in Paris.
>>
>> On the continent, /only/ in France trains are left-sided, if I am
>> correct. ;-)
>
> Wikipedia claims that Belgian, Italian, Portugese, Swedish and Swiss
> trains don't drive on the right (!) track either. Some Austrian railway
> lines also drive on the left.
>
I read recently that in France it was British Engineers that built the
first railways. So, you guessed it. The trains ran on the left.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 16/08/2014 16:15, clipka wrote:
>
>> And before you or anyone else says it. I have often heard that I am
>> weird. And I play on that.
>> I suspect that there are a few people on this newsgroup that have been
>> been labelled weird or strange.
>
> Which, as far as I'm concerned, is a compliment.
To me as well.
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Regards
Stephen
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Okay, you win.
It is not worth going to war about.
(I can be magnanimous. Especially since I am right.) ;-)
On 16/08/2014 16:15, clipka wrote:
> Am 16.08.2014 10:53, schrieb Stephen:
>
>>> The candidates' task was to walk as straight as possible with limited
>>> information; whether people tend to veer to the left or right in such a
>>> circumstance says nothing about whether they prefer to walk left or
>>> right turns when walking in a circle deliberately.
>>>
>>
>> True but it shows that there is little bias to turn away from their
>> strong leg.
>
> No, all it shows is that when tasked with walking in a straight line,
> their compensation for any such bias they may or may not have works even
> when blindfolded.
>
>>> The tendency of people to prefer walking left turns over right turns has
>>> long been identified by /the/ one most motivated, well-funded and
>>> experienced branch of applied behavioural science of all: Marketing
>>> analysis. Shops are arranged on this basis, and it works.
>>>
>> Sources that it works? (and not psychobabble, please).
>> If shops had paths that wound to the right. I suspect that they would
>> still sell things.
>
> Yeah, but it's one of the little tweaks by which they influence /what/
> they sell (to an average person; they don't care much about
> individualists) - and also how much. Like that old trick to put the milk
> way at the back, because almost everyone has milk on their shopping
> list, so they make you walk past all the other goods that you might not
> have thought about when you made the list.
>
>> It sounds like juju to me. "Give me money and I will make you more mony
>> than you now have."
>
> I've first heard that a quarter of a century ago, at a time when - or so
> it seems to me - juju wasn't state of the art. Besides, it's such a
> trivial thing that you can't really "sell" that idea - and the shop
> owner can easily check whether it has any effect or not.
>
>
>>>>> So from a psychological point of view, to
>>>>> an otherwise unbiased person it will come more natural to make U-turns
>>>>> to the left rather than to the right.
>>>>
>>>> :-O
>>>
>>> Yup. Fortunately for you people on the island, you're all being biased
>>> during driving lessons :-)
>>
>> This is true as is the reverse.
>
> Sure. But my point is that the continental bias is more natural :-)
>
>> And before you or anyone else says it. I have often heard that I am
>> weird. And I play on that.
>> I suspect that there are a few people on this newsgroup that have been
>> been labelled weird or strange.
>
> Which, as far as I'm concerned, is a compliment.
>
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 16/08/2014 14:10, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> I heard that the winding sense of stairs is for defence of the building,
> assuming the main hand for the sword is the right one.
> So defendants get full movement range and assaulting get problems.
> So, the rotation is not the same when going to the vault or going to the
> roof, from the outside.
>
I did not know about the last part. The rest is history.
> The English driving on the left side is due to the sheath being on the
> left side (once again for the majority with a right hand for the sword),
> and horsed-armed-men should not collide the sheaths when crossing. It
> went to road and railway (and so far, trains on railway still "drive on
> left" even in France), because most trains first came from the island
> west of Brussels (but the spacing between the rails is due to the wide
> of the roman empire's horse's ass). Due to the large influences of the
> English Empire, many countries sticks to that convention.
> Napoleon might have hated that convention for Europe, but how do you
> explain that the continental north America also drives on the right ?
My understanding is that we just kept what the Romans did.
From Wiki.
"In 1998, archaeologists found a well-preserved track leading to a Roman
quarry near Swindon, England. The grooves in the road on the left side
(viewed facing down the track away from the quarry) were much deeper
than those on the right side. These grooves suggest that the Romans
drove on the left, at least in this location, since carts would exit the
quarry heavily loaded, and enter it empty."
--
Regards
Stephen
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Am 16.08.2014 19:53, schrieb Stephen:
> I read recently that in France it was British Engineers that built the
> first railways. So, you guessed it. The trains ran on the left.
Not only in France. Which, to be fair, isn't much of a surprise given
you guys' edge in the matter back then.
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clipka <ano### [at] anonymous org> wrote:
> Am 16.08.2014 19:53, schrieb Stephen:
>
> > I read recently that in France it was British Engineers that built the
> > first railways. So, you guessed it. The trains ran on the left.
>
> Not only in France. Which, to be fair, isn't much of a surprise given
> you guys' edge in the matter back then.
I think that Jaime and Stephen did a very good job here. All the stuff about
hearts, livers and so on is only guesswork IMO. Pychological studies often lack
statistical significance, especially with such exotic topics. BTW I'm driving on
the left side of the road now for one week (and the following) with a
left-steered car from France and it took me only seconds to switch to the
English system. It as naturally to me as the German right-side driving. One
gests accustomed very soon.
Best regards,
Michael
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On 16-8-2014 20:01, Stephen wrote:
> My understanding is that we just kept what the Romans did.
> From Wiki.
> "In 1998, archaeologists found a well-preserved track leading to a Roman
> quarry near Swindon, England. The grooves in the road on the left side
> (viewed facing down the track away from the quarry) were much deeper
> than those on the right side. These grooves suggest that the Romans
> drove on the left, at least in this location, since carts would exit the
> quarry heavily loaded, and enter it empty."
>
That's an interesting one! I take note.
Thomas
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