Have a look at "Beta updates" by inhahe, about 4 threads down in p.b-t


"Zeger Knaepen" <zeg### [at] povplacecom> wrote in message 
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> Could you give a specific example of what you mean?  Because I haven't 
> seen any flame-wars on this server, although I don't read every newsgroup
>
> oh, and uhm... Tim Cook was joking, as one should be able to determine by 
> his use of a smiley.
>
> cu!
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Apologies Tim - Gail's right.

my sarcasm detector failed me.

"Tim Cook" <z99### [at] bellsouthnet> wrote in message 
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> Simon wrote:
>> This is ridiculous!
>>
>> I come on the newsgroups after a couple of weeks away to catch up on 
>> what's happening and all I can find is petty bickering.
>>
>> 1. Some of you don't like others - Live with it
>> 2. Some of you are incredibly rude - Personally, I think if you can't 
>> take the time to be polite, I  won't take the time to read your response, 
>> but I stick by point 1 - You've got as much right to post as I do.
>>
>> The only thing I would point out is that this is supposed to be a 
>> community and new members having threads hijacked for battles is NOT a 
>> good way to make them feel welcome. If we're trying to encourage a place 
>> for people to sit back, share ideas and show off some truly fantastic and 
>> innovative renderings, why scare new members off for a petty argument?
>>
>> (and if you don't like this post, see point 1 above)
>>
>> --Simon
>
> Awwww, shaddup.  [insert lengthy flame here]
>
> XD
>
> -- 
> Tim Cook
> http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-empyrean
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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote in message 
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> Normally I would suggest you grow a thicker skin, but in this case maybe 
> just a skin,... or a membrane,... or something.

Why? as I mentioned - I can live with it. The issue is when new users post 
polite, genuine questions and then end up sitting through arguments and 
abuse. and why should they have to put up with that crap?

Regards

Simon

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> "Zeger Knaepen" <zeg### [at] povplacecom> wrote in message 
> news:47167c5e$1@news.povray.org...
>> Could you give a specific example of what you mean?  Because I haven't 
>> seen any flame-wars on this server, although I don't read every newsgroup

Sorry, make that "Beta Updates" by dkanter - I've only just woken up :)

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>> Normally I would suggest you grow a thicker skin, but in this case maybe 
>> just a skin,... or a membrane,... or something.
>
> Why? as I mentioned - I can live with it. The issue is when new users post 
> polite, genuine questions and then end up sitting through arguments and 
> abuse. and why should they have to put up with that crap?

Because, like almost every other internet forum, there are people here with 
a lot of time to spare nit-picking every post they can find purely for the 
reason of starting an argument.

For these people their brains seems to work like:

1) Oh, parsing that post it seems part of it could be read as not making 
complete sense.
2) Reply stating this fact in a manner that makes you seem to have the logic 
of a super-computer but the common-sense of a lemming, no matter how trivial 
or irrelevant the remark is to the thread subject.

However most other people work like this:

1) That bit doesn't really make sense, I wonder what they meant by that?
2a) Oh, I worked out what he probably meant, no worries.
-- or --
2b) Hmm, still can't work it out, but it's not important for the thread.
-- or --
2c) OK I don't get this, reply asking to explain again as it appears to not 
make sense.

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> of a super-computer but the common-sense of a lemming, 

What makes you think lemmings don't have any common sense?

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> This is ridiculous!
> 
> I come on the newsgroups after a couple of weeks away to catch up on what's 
> happening and all I can find is petty bickering.
> 
> 1. Some of you don't like others - Live with it
> 2. Some of you are incredibly rude - Personally, I think if you can't take 
> the time to be polite, I  won't take the time to read your response, but I 
> stick by point 1 - You've got as much right to post as I do.
> 
> The only thing I would point out is that this is supposed to be a community 
> and new members having threads hijacked for battles is NOT a good way to 
> make them feel welcome. If we're trying to encourage a place for people to 
> sit back, share ideas and show off some truly fantastic and innovative 
> renderings, why scare new members off for a petty argument?
> 
> (and if you don't like this post, see point 1 above)
> 
> --Simon 

I think you're gonna be flamed for cross-posting in so many groups...

Other than that, you're mostly right.  There are people around here who
thinks that there are enough POV users and (potential) programmers, so
it shouldn't hurt if some leaves.

Fabien.

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Warp wrote:

>   What flame wars?
> 

That's what I'm wondering ...

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>> of a super-computer but the common-sense of a lemming, 
> 
> What makes you think lemmings don't have any common sense?
> 
:-D

-- 
Vincent

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Simon wrote:
> "Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote in message 
> news:47169aa0$1@news.povray.org...
> 
>>Normally I would suggest you grow a thicker skin, but in this case maybe 
>>just a skin,... or a membrane,... or something.
> 
> 
> Why? as I mentioned - I can live with it. The issue is when new users post 
> polite, genuine questions and then end up sitting through arguments and 
> abuse. and why should they have to put up with that crap?
> 

They shouldn't but I guess since I don't subscribe to all the groups,... 
like new users for instance,... I may not have witnessed the bad manners 
you saw.  I just meant that in comparison with times past, things have 
been pretty tame around here...to the point that I wasn't sure if you 
were serious, even.

We try to be as welcoming as possible, though we may have lost a few of 
our more adept personalities in that regard. We have also mellowed a bit 
from the days when POV developers held a lot of status and liked to 
exert it. Chris Cason recently pointed out there are only two left. But 
there is still going to be a minimal hazing to determine that the person 
is serious enough to at least try reading the manual.  We have had some 
different and exploitive personalities show up over the years.  There is 
still no particular reason the internet is any less a wild place.

Recent discussions surrounding a new and openly developed povray I find 
quite encouraging.  If a few occasional sparks fly it just tells me that 
people are actually paying attention and care.  But it seemed a very 
heathy discourse to me, though most of it went over my head.  Compared 
with past dicussions on the topography of POV I saw no flames, just some 
embers to indicate the fire is still going.

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