And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:31:46 -0000, bluetree <nomail@nomail> did  
spake, saying:

> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>> Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
>
> No. Don't do it. I believe. I believe everything...
>
>> No you're right they could all Become One With The Mind Of God... ooooo!
>> Or separate from God in a shiny silvery gestalt from which multiple  
>> forms
>> can be made and rule over a race of warriors who... oh wait sorry that's
>> Deep Space Nine.
>
> ^^
> Or they could take the shape of little worm and take over the bodies of  
> some
> people, who believe everthing (oh, wait, I'm in danger)... oh wait, that  
> was
> Star Gate... :)
>
>> Hmm think about the types of people who you'd expect to get into Heaven,
>> would you want to spend eternity with them in any form? So the person
>> who's there either a) wants to be there b) has to be there, or is c)
>> stoned.
>
> So b) wouldn't have free will.

Except they realise they don't want to be there, thus have free will.  
Unless you're saying that people in prison don't have free will?

> some of c) as well.

Except they wouldn't care :-)

> what's about some people of a) who don't want to spend eternity with some
> others?

"I'm a Dead Person Get Me Out Of Here", "Dead Big Brother"? That would be  
fun with the reincarnationists "Hey you were voted out last lifetime you  
can't just waltz back in"

>> Back to the serious bit. I think the gestalt or 'one with the mind of  
>> God'
>> is a possibiity if you think of each individual joining as a voice in  
>> the
>> choir, similar to that voice in your head telling you that you shouldn't
>> eat that gooey cream pie or take a machine-gun to your  
>> co-workers...um...
>> anyway in theory parts could arise that find itself in contest with the
>> majority and might break-away; which would explain the Downfall of the
>> Angels. So that would be a yes to free will.
>
> Wouldn't that mean, that those who have a free will, won't be in Heaven?  
> Because they break away and then are kicked out.

Or those that exercise that will in a way contrary to the majority are  
kicked out. Well a majority assuming that it's not just a small bunch of  
people with loud presences.

-- 
Phil Cook

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