And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:22:57 -0000, bluetree <nomail@nomail> did  
spake, saying:

> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>> It's got those harps and clouds and the fullsome sense of smugness  
>> caused
>> by being there.
>>
>> Okay in all seriousness if everyone thinks the same way in Heaven then
>> it's possible that the only way in is to display those same traits on
>> Earth. Therefore you have no free will nor free will to lose you are
>> simply repeating your Earthly actions in Heaven. If you were the type of
>> person to become disatisfied with that then you wouldn't have been  
>> allowed
>> in. Satan/Lucifer/Adversary doesn't count as he was always in Heaven.
>
> Not to sound blasphemous.

Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!

> But who says that there are individuals. If there might be no free will,  
> it could also be, that there are no individuals... (invalid logic, but  
> doesn't matter)
> I can't imagine a lot of individuals playing all time similar or same  
> songs with harp. ;)

No you're right they could all Become One With The Mind Of God... ooooo!  
Or separate from God in a shiny silvery gestalt from which multiple forms  
can be made and rule over a race of warriors who... oh wait sorry that's  
Deep Space Nine.

> "the fullsome sense of smugness caused by being there" sounds like there  
> might be something, which changes the way you are. -> So no individual  
> anymore? ;)

Hmm think about the types of people who you'd expect to get into Heaven,  
would you want to spend eternity with them in any form? So the person  
who's there either a) wants to be there b) has to be there, or is c)  
stoned.

Back to the serious bit. I think the gestalt or 'one with the mind of God'  
is a possibiity if you think of each individual joining as a voice in the  
choir, similar to that voice in your head telling you that you shouldn't  
eat that gooey cream pie or take a machine-gun to your co-workers...um...  
anyway in theory parts could arise that find itself in contest with the  
majority and might break-away; which would explain the Downfall of the  
Angels. So that would be a yes to free will.


-- 
Phil Cook

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