And lo on Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:42:12 -0000, Alain  
<ele### [at] netscapenet> did spake, saying:

> Phil Cook nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/12/13 04:08:
>> And lo on Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:34:54 -0000, nemesis  
>> <nam### [at] gmailcom> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>>> So either God's a 'Worship Me or I'll beat you up' bully or a 'I'll  
>>>> help
>>>> the tribe who showers Me with the most faith' mercenary (or both)?
>>>
>>> Faith, love, respect and fear are to be expected from those who devote  
>>> their lifes to God's will.
>>  Except I'd put faith and love, and respect and fear in two entirely  
>> seperate categories otherwise we end up with the conclusions that...
>>
> Respect and fear realy don't deserve to be grouped. Apparent respect  
> comming from fear is no respect at all, as it soon become obvious as  
> soon as the fear aspect fades, apparent respect mutate into hate. True  
> respect comes from understanding. True respect breed more respect, and  
> reduce fear.
> Respect can be paired with love, as both can grow without the presence  
> of the other, and both can lead to the other.
> So, you can have "faith", love and respect on one side, and fear and  
> hate on the other side.

I failed to explain well. Faith and love are intangibles "Why do you love  
X?", "Why do you have faith in Y?" they're both something you can't really  
answer - you just do. Fear and respect have answers "I respect X because  
he's proven himself" "I fear Y because I've seen what he can do". You  
don't just fear or respect someone or something (experiments with spider  
pictures notwithstanding).

> A very simple principle:
> Do unto others as you'd like other to do unto you.
> It can replace any religion, and a great many laws. It can be used as a  
> reference to diferensate between "good" and "evil".

Um I'm a sado-masochist (no I'm not really) who gets off on pain therefore  
I should go around hurting people because that's what I'd want them to do  
to me?

> ANYBODY who, at least try to, live by that principle won't wilingly  
> commit any crime.
> What I like about it, is that it's a positive principle.

So I shouldn't steal from a store because I wouldn't like the store  
stealing from me... except the store isn't a person (except perhaps  
legally) so why should I care?

-- 
Phil Cook

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