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From: Jon A  Cruz
Subject: Re: Klingon Programmer
Date: 5 Jul 1999 13:29:49
Message: <3780EBB8.1F1C97E1@geocities.com>
Gail Shaw wrote:

> Jon A. Cruz wrote in message <37804E36.2EA8E43E@geocities.com>...
> >Ken wrote:
> >
> >> "Jon A. Cruz" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Ken wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > You mean like a chicken with lips, or maybe a horse with feathers or
> >> > > how about me indenting my pov script. That kind of unbelievable ?
> >> >
> >> > So, Ken.
> >> > Are you by chance a Klingon programmer?
> >>
> >>  I have never alluded to being any type of programmer. I am a Pov-Ray
> >> user and nothing more save clever and resourceful.
> >>
> >
> >From "Top 12 things likely to be overheard if you had a Klingon Programmer"
> >
> >9) "Indentation?! - I will show you how to indent when I indent your
> >skull!"
> >
> >
> >For some reason, the first time I read that, I thought immediately of Ken.
>
> <grin>
>
> Could you please toss a copy of those twelve my way. Would look
> great above my computer at work.

Top 12 things likely to be overheard if you had a Klingon Programmer

12) "Specifications are for the weak and timid!"

11) "This machine is a piece of GAGH!  I need dual Pentium processors if I am
to do battle with this code!"

10) "You cannot really appreciate Dilbert unless you've read it in the original
Klingon."

9) "Indentation?! - I will show you how to indent when I indent your skull!"

8) "What is this talk of 'release'?  Klingons do not make software 'releases'.
Our software 'escapes' leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality
assurance people in it's wake."

7) "Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' - they have 'arguments' --
and they ALWAYS WIN THEM."

6) "Debugging?  Klingons do not debug.  Our software does not coddle the weak."


5) "I have challenged the entire quality assurance team to a Bat-Leth contest.
They will not concern us again."

4) "A TRUE Klingon Warrior does not comment his code!"

3) "By filing this SPR you have challenged the honor of my family.   Prepare to
die!"

2) "You question the worthiness of my code?  I should kill you where you
stand!"

1) "Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it
and let them flee like the dogs they are!"


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From: Fabien Mosen
Subject: Re: the entries
Date: 5 Jul 1999 15:54:20
Message: <37810D09.9F0118E5@skynet.be>
Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
>         Looks like another round of fanciful images that are incredible
> because the creater says they are incredible.
> 

Yes, it seems more and more people are just trying to push their
annoying
sci-fi images into the competition.  For about 100 images, only 10 of
them
really fits the topic, to me.  We already had that phenomena with
"imaginary
worlds".

And now, "landmarks" makes me fear a good dozen of damn pyramids !!!!
(did someone ever seen an IRTC round without pyramids ? not me...)

Fabien.


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From: Margus Ramst
Subject: Re: the entries
Date: 5 Jul 1999 21:22:02
Message: <37815541.6A1CAF2A@peak.edu.ee>
Well, I was actually thinking of doing a pyramid :) Not quite what you have in
mind, tho...

Margus

Fabien Mosen wrote:
> 
> And now, "landmarks" makes me fear a good dozen of damn pyramids !!!!
> (did someone ever seen an IRTC round without pyramids ? not me...)
> 
> Fabien.


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From: Matt Giwer
Subject: Re: the entries
Date: 6 Jul 1999 00:35:03
Message: <3781879F.462C78ED@giwersworld.org>
Ken wrote:
> 
> Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> >
> >         I don't know the regulars by name yet, which is his image?
> 
> 13piggies

	Yes, the "I didn't have pigs with that sex" image. Too bad no
clams in the image. (Thinking I remember Carroll correctly.) 

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http://www.giwersworld.org/artiii/

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From: Matt Giwer
Subject: Re: the entries
Date: 6 Jul 1999 00:46:37
Message: <37818A51.21840791@giwersworld.org>
> Matt Giwer wrote in message <377DB355.8F3BC16F@giwersworld.org>...
> > Looks like another round of fanciful images that are incredible
> >because the creater says they are incredible.

> Actually, it seems more like people are confusing 'unbelievable' and
> 'weird', 'strange', or 'odd'.  Something can be weird while still being
> quite believable.

	I don't think it is "confused" in the least. The very purpose of
fantasy is to present it in a credible manner. I can not get away
from the idea that these are simply what they want to do and
twisting it into the topic.

	An image of a cube. "This is an image of a sphere. I know you
will say that is unbelievable."

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From: Mark Wagner
Subject: Re: the entries
Date: 6 Jul 1999 00:53:31
Message: <37818bcb@news.povray.org>
Fabien Mosen wrote in message <37810D09.9F0118E5@skynet.be>...
>
>And now, "landmarks" makes me fear a good dozen of damn pyramids !!!!
>(did someone ever seen an IRTC round without pyramids ? not me...)
>


Pyramids?  Heck no!  I'm doing a blue fireplug.

Mark


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: the entries
Date: 6 Jul 1999 00:56:23
Message: <37818BD6.27F7855B@pacbell.net>
Mark Wagner wrote:
> 
> Fabien Mosen wrote in message <37810D09.9F0118E5@skynet.be>...
> >
> >And now, "landmarks" makes me fear a good dozen of damn pyramids !!!!
> >(did someone ever seen an IRTC round without pyramids ? not me...)
> >
> 
> Pyramids?  Heck no!  I'm doing a blue fireplug.
> 
> Mark

  I was thinkink about making a bunch of human looking creatures, name
them Mark, scatter them around a landscape, and then declare them Land
Marks :)

-- 
Ken Tyler

mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net


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From: Matt Giwer
Subject: Re: the entries
Date: 6 Jul 1999 01:37:58
Message: <37819655.C2EC1375@giwersworld.org>
Fabien Mosen wrote:

> Yes, it seems more and more people are just trying to push their
> annoying
> sci-fi images into the competition.  For about 100 images, only 10 of
> them
> really fits the topic, to me.  We already had that phenomena with
> "imaginary
> worlds".

	You know, I have no problem with a real SF image it is the
modern Sci-Fi that sucks. In the good old days the writers and
illustrators at least took a try at being good engineers. I would
love to see a well thought out space craft of any kind.
Unfortunately I have only seen a couple and not in the
competitions. 

	If someone wants to show me an alien, don't just make something
weird looking, think through the mechanics and the biology. (Like
the ILM folks did in the muscles for their Jurassic Park Dinos.) 

> And now, "landmarks" makes me fear a good dozen of damn pyramids !!!!
> (did someone ever seen an IRTC round without pyramids ? not me...)

	Yes, pyramids. I would like to see one that even evidences the
research to get the proportions correct. I did that for a pyramid
under construction for History. The real thing is certainly
beyond me and likely beyond POV due to scale and perspective
issues. I submitted it to make that point. But when I saw an
image of two impossibly steep pyramids with a river running
between them, I knew I was in POV-Land. 

	Putting together Landmarks and Sci-Fi, how many future landmarks
will we see? (Oddly the only thing the competition didn't suggest
as a possibility.) "This impossibly shaped thing became a
landmark in 2053 AD ... " 

	And I am working on a future landmark thing that I may or may
not submit (also a serious submission clearly on topic) but only
if it can pass muster with basic physics and sound engineering.
I've spent more time writing the tourist brochure (creation
guidelines) than on the POV code. 

	So much for griping. But playing with the gripes is fun, like
with my pyramids and my gripe about the unsubtle use of height
fields. 

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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Klingon Programmer
Date: 6 Jul 1999 02:41:14
Message: <3781a50a@news.povray.org>
>> Could you please toss a copy of those twelve my way. Would look
>> great above my computer at work.


Thanks. Should get some fun from these.

Gail
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From: Fabien Mosen
Subject: Re: the entries
Date: 6 Jul 1999 16:40:22
Message: <37826976.23AC22CD@skynet.be>
Margus Ramst wrote:
> 
> Well, I was actually thinking of doing a pyramid :) Not quite what you have in
> mind, tho...
> 

I would have nothing against a WELL MADE pyramid, with some 
architectural/historic/geographic accuracy or credibility; a little bit
of storytelling wouldn't waste it...

Fabien.


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