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From: i need a unique name
Subject: to those that understand
Date: 28 Feb 2007 21:10:00
Message: <web.45e5ef6c2bfa2c4743da915f0@news.povray.org>
told my wife this, but she just doesn't really care :-(

so here I go, gotta a bloke in Poser - turned of genatalia 'cos we don't
really want to see that sort of thing in a space colony movie, export and
convert to POV and there it is a big fat willy  ... ok so I can probably
turn it off in the export heirachy thing but all the same very distressing
from a work flow point of view...

.... just needed to let of steam to those who would understand.

btw I've given up and bought a model of a poser robot for $8 because after a
month of trying I've still not managed to build my own in poser 4 (I think
poser 5 and onwards are easier to work with but I missed the free download
and I can't justify $230 to upgrade) ... is that like cheating?


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: to those that understand
Date: 28 Feb 2007 22:51:22
Message: <2r1cu2tejbl6igoo72bsqivrq03tvr5hct@4ax.com>
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:09:00 EST, "i_need_a_unique_name"
<ine### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

>told my wife this, but she just doesn't really care :-(
>
>so here I go, gotta a bloke in Poser - turned of genatalia 'cos we don't
>really want to see that sort of thing in a space colony movie, export and
>convert to POV and there it is a big fat willy  ... ok so I can probably
>turn it off in the export heirachy thing but all the same very distressing
>from a work flow point of view...
>
>.... just needed to let of steam to those who would understand.
>
>btw I've given up and bought a model of a poser robot for $8 because after a
>month of trying I've still not managed to build my own in poser 4 (I think
>poser 5 and onwards are easier to work with but I missed the free download
>and I can't justify $230 to upgrade) ... is that like cheating?
>

What's wrong with the human body? At least for adults. It strikes me as very
strange that the female form is acceptable naked but show a nude man and all
Hades breaks loose, 

As for your BTW there was a free version of Poser 5 given away a few months ago.
I am sure that you could get a copy if a way could be worked out.

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Markus Altendorff
Subject: Re: to those that understand
Date: 1 Mar 2007 07:38:21
Message: <45e682ed$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:09:00 EST, "i_need_a_unique_name"
> <ine### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>>
>> btw I've given up and bought a model of a poser robot for $8 because after a
>> month of trying I've still not managed to build my own in poser 4 (I think
>> poser 5 and onwards are easier to work with but I missed the free download
>> and I can't justify $230 to upgrade) ... is that like cheating?
>>

I wouldn't think so - alas, the link i wanted to add (something in the 
irtc anim rules i vaguely recall) seems to have gone missing from the 
IRTC homepage.

> What's wrong with the human body? At least for adults. It strikes me as very
> strange that the female form is acceptable naked but show a nude man and all
> Hades breaks loose, 

The following comment may be considered juvenile and/or offensive: "Envy" ;)

> As for your BTW there was a free version of Poser 5 given away a few months ago.
> I am sure that you could get a copy if a way could be worked out.

Maybe there is a way to use Blender or some other free modeller? My most 
recent run-in with Poser (yes, from that free giveaway thing) left me a 
bit unimpressed (the last Poser version i had was, i think, 2 or 
something, when it was still with MetaCreations(?) - back in the 20th 
century ;)
I've only recently (like, three days ago) made my first POV scene, and 
already my admiration for anyone that can do an animation with a text 
editor alone has jumped by a few orders of magnitude :)

-Markus


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From: i need a unique name
Subject: Re: to those that understand
Date: 1 Mar 2007 10:30:01
Message: <web.45e6aac1b94db359ac77a5930@news.povray.org>
>>> whats wrong with the human body <<<

Yeah point taken - though I think in Western society nudity to the level of
explicit genetailia is a bit more controversial than naked breasts.
Actually to be honest I think the temperature of Hades would be a degree or
two higher if I released an animation with an explicit vagina than the
penis.... anyway this post is as far as I fear to push the boundaries of
respectability :-) - my main distress was the workflow aspect of poser.


Yup I've recently started trying blender and other gui modellers (like 4
weeks ago) and already my admiration for anyone that can do modelling with
a point and click modeller has jumped by a few orders of magnitude.

I get the impression, from the special features section of DVD's, that the
animation houses don't model using point and click stuff - well at least
the initial models most of which appear to be scanned in. I'm not knocking
them I'm just wondering what the right approach for an amateur is.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: to those that understand
Date: 1 Mar 2007 10:30:01
Message: <web.45e6aae7b94db359f1cb1e660@news.povray.org>
Markus Altendorff <maa### [at] panoramasde> wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>
> > What's wrong with the human body? At least for adults. It strikes me as very
> > strange that the female form is acceptable naked but show a nude man and all
> > Hades breaks loose,
>
> The following comment may be considered juvenile and/or offensive: "Envy" ;)

I know it was a humorous remark but I donít think itís envy. I think it is
repression. (No offence to ďI need a snappier nameĒ :-)


> > As for your BTW there was a free version of Poser 5 given away a few months ago.
> > I am sure that you could get a copy if a way could be worked out.
>
> Maybe there is a way to use Blender or some other free modeller? My most
> recent run-in with Poser (yes, from that free giveaway thing) left me a
> bit unimpressed (the last Poser version i had was, i think, 2 or
> something, when it was still with MetaCreations(?) - back in the 20th
> century ;)

I donít see what else you can use if you want halfway realistic human forms.
At least without spending more time on the modelling than anything else. As
it is I spend more time in Poser than I want to.


> I've only recently (like, three days ago) made my first POV scene, and
> already my admiration for anyone that can do an animation with a text
> editor alone has jumped by a few orders of magnitude :)

Me too. But then I use a modeller Ďcause I canít.


Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: to those that understand
Date: 1 Mar 2007 12:50:01
Message: <web.45e6cbaeb94db359f1cb1e660@news.povray.org>
"i_need_a_unique_name" <ineedauniquename@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> whats wrong with the human body <<<
>
> Yeah point taken - though I think in Western society nudity to the level of
> explicit genetailia is a bit more controversial than naked breasts.
> Actually to be honest I think the temperature of Hades would be a degree or
> two higher if I released an animation with an explicit vagina than the
> penis.... anyway this post is as far as I fear to push the boundaries of
> respectability :-) - my main distress was the workflow aspect of poser.

You are right of course and I donít think this is the place to discuss it
further.
AFAICR when I had a male modelís dangly bits poking through its clothes,
turning off genatalia stopped it being exported. Iíd have to check.


Stephen


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From: Trevor G Quayle
Subject: Re: to those that understand
Date: 1 Mar 2007 16:45:01
Message: <web.45e701eab94db359c150d4c10@news.povray.org>
"i_need_a_unique_name" <ineedauniquename@gmail.com> wrote:
> told my wife this, but she just doesn't really care :-(

This I understand.  I've tried to explain photons and radiosity and HDRI to
my wife, but she doesn't want to understand.  She isn't even convinced that
my hobby is a legitimate, constructive way to spend spare time.

-tgq


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: to those that understand
Date: 1 Mar 2007 20:29:37
Message: <7tdeu2plk5986v445h510f2bi8ahakvn4g@4ax.com>
On Thu,  1 Mar 2007 07:48:46 EST, "Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> wrote:

>AFAICR when I had a male modelís dangly bits poking through its clothes,
>turning off genatalia stopped it being exported. Iíd have to check.
>

I just did a test and when I uncheck Genitalia, they are not exported in 3DS or
OBJ meshes. Note that it is a global setting.

Regards
	Stephen


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From: i need a unique name
Subject: Re: to those that understand
Date: 1 Mar 2007 23:55:00
Message: <web.45e76734b94db35943da915f0@news.povray.org>
> I just did a test and when I uncheck Genitalia, they are not exported in 3DS or
> OBJ meshes.

hmm, well for Poser 4 exporting as detailer they did ... oh well I can live
with it I'm just glad I gotta robot for $8 because its crucial to the story
(unlike my last IRTC entry which really didn't have any meaning).

I feel a bit guilty buying in a model but in this day and age, with fast
hardware and cheap/free software to me the IRTC animation competition is
about being able to tell as story with the level of skill one has.


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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: to those that understand
Date: 2 Mar 2007 01:34:39
Message: <45e77f2f@news.povray.org>
i_need_a_unique_name wrote:
>>>>whats wrong with the human body <<<
> 
> Yeah point taken - though I think in Western society nudity to the level of
> explicit genetailia is a bit more controversial than naked breasts.
> Actually to be honest I think the temperature of Hades would be a degree or
> two higher if I released an animation with an explicit vagina than the
> penis.... anyway this post is as far as I fear to push the boundaries of
> respectability :-) - my main distress was the workflow aspect of poser.
> 
> Yup I've recently started trying blender and other gui modellers (like 4
> weeks ago) and already my admiration for anyone that can do modelling with
> a point and click modeller has jumped by a few orders of magnitude.

Try *writing* a point-and-click modeller.

> I get the impression, from the special features section of DVD's, that the
> animation houses don't model using point and click stuff - well at least
> the initial models most of which appear to be scanned in. I'm not knocking
> them I'm just wondering what the right approach for an amateur is.

 From what I see on the 2nd disc in the Incredibles 2-dvd set, the 
scanned models, if they use them, have to be heavily edited by mouse. 
The clothing in the Incredibles involved a masochistic amount of work, 
and a lot of it appears to have been done with a GUI interface and not a 
scanner.

One of their models, called Universal Man, probably was done in a 
modelling app.

The posing is done with an app called Marionette, which looks like a 
spreadsheet of animation variables over time.  Pixar doesn't appear to 
use motion-capture (although other houses definitely do), which makes 
their work even more impressive.

Regards,
John


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