On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:00:24 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom>
wrote:

>
>
>IMBJR wrote:
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>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:42:38 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>
>>>Tom Galvin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>IMBJR <no### [at] spamhere> wrote in
>>>>news:l4as40lb39iv61huj2r191n76q3jbfir3u@4ax.com: 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Any rules I have broken I have corrected myself on.  I'm no longer
>>>>>using foul language. 
>>>
>>>That may be so (for some value of foul) but you are still being rude
>>>to anyone who might have a different opinion. So that you have
>>>corrected yourself is a blatant lie.
>> 
>> 
>> People are rude me, I respond in kind. Seems we are all in breach of
>> that rather vague AUP.
>That again is not true, you responded rude to various people that
>were not rude to you. May be you though that they were rude, but
>more often than not _I_ could not see it. For me most of your
>attacks came totally out of the blue.

You obviously are missing the full context. I suggest you re-read the
thread and you will see this did not appear out-of-the-blue.

>> 
>>>>>The format postings were, after all, permitted.
>>>>>Yes, I certainly appear rude to some, but let's face it, when in
>>>>>argument with others, one certainly will appear rude.
>>>
>>>If a large number of people complain about your behaviour then
>>>take the hint, try to understand what they find rude and stop
>>>doing it. FYI any statement from you along the lines of:
>>>'one million lemmings can't be wrong' or statements of similar
>>>intent, I will regard as rude, childish, and not to the point.
>> 
>> 
>> Talk about trolling. 
>You seem to have a totally different idea about what trolling
>is than I do. Previous experience tells me that any discussion
>about this is therefore senseless.

That's why people debate, because of differences!

>
>> Are you trying to get me into trouble?
>On the contrary I was trying to keep you from getting into
>trouble, by anticipating the kind of remarks you normally
>make. (I can guess some possible replies, but I leave it to
>you this time to restrain yourself).

Strange how you did not get the replies you wanted though, isn't it?

>
>> 
>>>>
>>>>IMHO, I think most people who frequent this server prefer having a 
>>>>discussion rather than an argument.  Perhaps you misunderstood the intent 
>>>>of my earlier quote of the the Acceptable Use Policy.  That specific 
>>>>paragraph not only referenced profanity, but conduct as well.  Rude 
>>>>behavior and harrasment are not condoned.  I include the relevant paragraph 
>>>>below.
>>>>
>>>>    Users of this news server may not post messages that could
>>>>    reasonably be expected, by today's standards, to cause another
>>>>    reasonable person to not want to use or visit this server due
>>>>    to a feeling of harassment. Personal attacks, exhibiting
>>>>    insulting or abusive behavior, are not an acceptable activity
>>>>    on this news server. Likewise, the use of profanity is also
>>>>    considered unacceptable.
>>>
>>>I am seriously considering leaving if I see any more of this kind of
>>>post from IMBJR. Not only does it takes too much time to go through
>>>these senseless discussions, but I feel often so offended that it
>>>takes also a considerable amount of time to calm down.
>>>(IMBJR: any comment hinting at my sensitivity I will consider rude,
>>>childish, and not to the point.)
>> 
>> 
>> Talk about trolling. Are you trying to get me into trouble?
>On the contrary I was trying to keep you from getting into
>trouble, by anticipating the kind of remarks you normally
>make. (I can guess some possible replies, but I leave it to
>you this time to restrain yourself)

Strange how you did not get the replies you wanted though, isn't it?

>> 
>>>Is there a place where I can register a formal complaint?
>> 
>> 
>> Please, put me in your killfile and be done with it.

>No that won't work, I will still see the replies of others.
>Actually, until today I even did not know I could move
>someone into a killfile and I only searched because
>someone in a tread polluted with your rude remarks
>mentioned the term. In all those 20+ years I have been
>on the internet (or comparable) I never ever met someone
>that made such a thing necessary. (I can guess some
>possible replies, but I leave it to you this time to
>restrain yourself)

For 20 years and you never knew about a killfile? Interesting.

PS. Again, sorry to disappoint. Learn to have your expectations
disappointed when debating with me.

>
>No for another reason, I still hope you tone down and behave
>like a decent fellow human being. I have seen some of your
>work (though not all the latest, because for reasons entirely
>my own, I will not install new software on the machine I
>use to read the news with) and I think your work is of high
>quality and an inspiration for others. I just hope that
>you do something about that temper of yours. If I may be so
>bold to do a suggestion: whenever you feel personally
>attacked by an e-mail. Leave it for a day, reread it when
>you are completely rested and if you still feel angry,
>express that you felt attacked and do not immediately
>retaliate. I guarantee you that in 90+% of all cases
>it was never the intention to launch a personal attack.

I doubt it. Time would not have corrected what had happened. The
offense would still have been present - no doubt compounded by
people's jocular remarks on top of it as they remarked on the offense.

>Though in your case your previous rude behaviour will
>make the score lower.
>(FYI this mail isn't a personal attack either, nor were
>any of my other mails. If you think otherwise, reread).

Again, for me a personal attack does not involve words.

>
>	Andrel
>
>

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