In article <481### [at] hotmailcom>, a_l### [at] hotmailcom 
says...
> Jim Henderson wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:27:51 -0700, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> > 
> > Well, it's shrinking, but I don't know how rapdily, particularly here i
n 
> > the intermountain west.  But to solve the "problem" of past conquest 
> > today isn't an easy one to answer, because you can't make things like
 
> > they were in the 1400's - and I don't think current tribe members would
 
> > think that was a solution.
> > 
> > I think there's a fine line between acknowledging the past and exploiti
ng 
> > the sins of the past.  Is it appropriate to continue to pay reparations
 
> > to the Native Americans today for something that started 700 years ago?
  
> 700?
> > I honestly can't say I know the answer to that question.  My instinct i
s 
> > to say "you have the same opportunities today as everyone else here",
 
> That only applies if they want to live the same rat race as non native 
> americans (if that is the negation of native americans).
> If they want to live more or less like they did a millenium ago you 
> might argue that the non natives should not make that impossible.
Yeah. Most of them want to live like the ones directly across the street 
from where I grew up.. Three things they had in common:

1. They lived off government hand outs.
2. They never maintained anything they got from the government, figuring 
if they broke their car, windows, walls, doors, etc., the government 
could be called to fix it.
3. They, one year, got all pissed off about something, started working 
towards a war path, and only stopped when the local sheriff pointed out 
that the neighbors across the street from them where all armed, and they 
wouldn't have a tribe left to get pissed off at the government with, if 
they decided to cross the street and start hurting people.

There seem to be three types:

1. The ones that "will" live in the rat race, because they know damn 
well that sitting on their ass and doing jack shit isn't going to get 
them any place.

2. The ones that milk the government and every treaty they can dig up 
from some place to screw white people, while not doing jack shit for 
themselves, then blame both for why they don't have anything.

3. The ones that really do want to go back to "traditional ways", and 
basically refuse most help, won't be part of modern society, and think 
that being part of that society will destroy them, somehow "more" than 
what the first two groups have done.

Well, OK, there are obviously exceptions within the individual tribes, 
but this is generally what you end up seeing. They are destroying 
themselves, and we keep kissing their asses, on the stupid presumption 
that we "owe" the modern, gutless, ethicless, worthless, descendants 
what their ancestors **actually** deserved. Want to help them? Give all 
the land, money, etc. to the ones that are not assholes, then let the 
rest do something useful with their lives. But then, I may be biased, 
given the particular bunch of morons I lived across from.

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