In article <47e99908@news.povray.org>, war### [at] tagpovrayorg says...
> Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet> wrote:
> > Kind of like Protestants.. Start with the premise that you don't need
 
> > the trappings of the church, just a personal relationship with god, the
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> > proceed to build lots of churches, rewrite bits of the Bible to sound
 
> > better, then become some of the most obnoxious people on the planet 
> > about being sheppards, by "telling people about Jesus", even when they
 
> > don't want to know. lol
> 
>   It's good to see that this thread about bashing ID proponents has not
> converted into an attack towards christian movements.
> 
Umm. I am not attacking the moment at all. If they stuck to the original 
premise, scientists, and even most atheists, including myself, wouldn't 
have a single problem with them. We might even acknowledge *some* of the 
ideas they have, where they to be reasonable ones (mind you, I don't 
find a lot of *reasonable* in Christianity that isn't better stated in a 
lot of other religions, and without the much of the hypocrisy and 
situational ethics). The problem here is hubris, the hypocrisy of 
claiming a principle, then ignoring it by trying to make everyone else 
*agree* with their interpretation of what "personal relationship" means, 
and just the general execution of the whole idea. I would judge just as 
harshly someone that came up with a grand idea of making sure everyone 
had medical care, then deciding later on that *medical care* meant 
forcing everyone to get plastic surgery to correct what *they* thought 
where "defects".

I am also sure there are some of them that adhere to their principles 
and don't push it. But, such people probably don't attend much church, 
since churches would be pushing them to spread the word, nor going 
around telling everyone in sight what their religion is. I.e., they 
wouldn't be noticeable until you asked. So, I am to judge the movement 
on the basis of a silent and unknown number, or the thousands of 
lunatics that show up every year in a mega prayer session some place, 
for the protestant Woodstock to pray for me to be, "Shown the light, or 
at least prevented from making the country worse by not being like 
them!"?

Since the first group is rather invisible, and doesn't seem all that 
inclined to do anything about the loud mouths, its damn hard to judge 
the movement based on the ones I **don't** see all the time. Just 
saying..

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