In article <475f8835$1@news.povray.org>, nos### [at] nospamcom says...
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:48:26 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> 
> > Jim Henderson wrote:
> >> Irrational to you - that's part of what I'm saying, if I say "God told
> >> me x", you might see it as irrational because it wasn't God who was
> >> talking to you, but to me it's entirely rational because God talked to
> >> me.
> > 
> > That's not the meaning of the word "rational" I was using.
> 
> I wasn't aware of a different meaning in that context...
> 
> >> Even if they did happen, they wouldn't be proof of the existence of
> >> God. Even if modern science had no rational explanation for them, they
> >> still wouldn't prove the existence of God.
> > 
> > Yes, I know.
> 
> So I guess I still don't see how those miracles you listed would prove to
 
> you that God exists rather than just proving to you that we don't know 
> enough to understand why they occurred (assuming that one or more of them
 
> did).
> 
I think there is a basic presumption that there are no more material 
explanations for them. And I think such things are a joke myself anyway, 
since its a damn site more *miraculous* if say a volcano opened up in 
Las Vegas and began spewing ice, than the silly sort of miracles that 
involve, "God decided to perform a miracle, but was too lazy to do 
something that breaks the laws of physics, or contravenes reasonable 
expectations." One doesn't expect an ice volcano to pop up in the middle 
of a major city. Not even a Hollywood producer would try to pass that 
one off as making sense. But, its almost impossible to find any place on 
the planet that hasn't had a normal volcano on it, at some point.

Same with most other things that believers would try to imply meant 
something. Just as no known case exists of someone having missing limbs 
spontaneously regrow from *any* sort of healing, so to one at least 
expects that real miracles would be of a quality that rises above 
natural phenomena and magic tricks.

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