In article <web.475ecd91922777eb773c9a3e0@news.povray.org>, 
nam### [at] gmailcom says...
> > When you proclaim a dogma, you tell peoples:
> > This IS The TRUTH! That Truth is absolute and immuable. Nobody can ques
tion The
> > Truth. If you don't agree with The Truth, you are an heretic, or just p
lain
> > wrong in the best of cases.
> 
> 
> indeed.  You just provided a clear case of the differences between religi
on and
> science.  Your point is?... Religion is not science? is anyone claiming
> otherwise?  Religion is bad because you are required to believe in invisi
ble
> beings dictating actions to "inspired" people who may just be schizoids
> wreaking havoc?  perhaps, specially when taken out of context...
> 
> Science does not replace God, it only shows His creation all the more
> interesting:  thunder is not some god hammering the clouds, just the resu
lt of
> God's laws governing the physical world.
> 
Science replaced religion all the time, you people just keep moving the 
goal posts and insisting that, "Well, even if we now know X, we don't 
know Y and God is hiding under Y."

And, just to be clear religion is bad because it derails discovery and 
promotes dogma, which, as has already been mentioned, **is not allowed** 
to be questioned. When the first versions of the Bible where published 
in English, it caused paranoia, fear and fundamentalism, since it 
demanded that everyone accept *all* of its contents as literally true, 
by its own definitions, and people where so scared of getting it wrong 
that they where willing to kill people to force them to follow it. 
Rather than providing greater understanding and freedom, never mind free 
will, it generated groups of lunatics, whose sole purpose was to deny 
understandings that didn't fit the Bible, wipe out people that refused 
to bow to the new order, and force people to become puppets to the 
religious dogma, rather than choosing their own path in life. We still 
get the same insane arguments from the fundies today. Now, with Islam we 
are seeing the same thing. Most of the Middle East was fairly 
illiterate. We, from the west, argued that greater freedom would come to 
them if they had real schools, better literacy, etc., but when they got 
that, some of them opted to read *their* holy book, and the result was 
the rise of the same fundamentalism, paranoia and mass murder that 
Christians committed in the early days of wide spread literacy and easy 
access to the Bible.

So, how again is religion, or more specifically those religions that 
deny exploration and understanding, in favor of absolute truths and 
dogma, *good*? Because, after thousands of people die for nothing, 
reformists come along and mostly defang the belief system?

BTW, good read on the subject:

http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/SIMBUR.html

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