In article <47422be6@news.povray.org>, war### [at] tagpovrayorg says...
> Ross <rli### [at] speakeasynet> wrote:
> > Warp hates the mocking and has yet to offer a viable option to it other
 than
> > "Continue to try to convince by presenting the facts." Yet this has fai
led,
> > and failed, and failed. Rather than continue the insanity loop, what sh
ould
> > one do?
> 
>   Are you saying that making fun of other people is a viable and acceptab
le
> solution?

Well... Lets put it this way. If you know that the odds of doing 
nothing, or doing the same things you have done all along, having an 
impact is 0%, then if there is even a 1% chance that mocking someone 
would work instead, why not do it? Mind you, a valid alternative would 
be a lot nicer, like better education. However, we are living in a world 
where some moron can spend $30 billion to send troops to a country they 
don't belong in, *and* screw up the entire plan while there, but will 
then veto a bill adding $1 billion in funding to the NIH, to help find 
cures for things like cancer (and in this case also torpedo a bill that 
would have **required** all research published in various journals to be 
released to the public via PubMed within two years of publication, 
instead of burying it on some research labs basement, where 50 people on 
the verge of curing some disease might not see it for 20 years, if ever. 
A tiny fraction of the research we do in this country is available via 
PubMed, and its the ***most*** important source of data on existing 
research and discoveries for 90% of all doctors and researchers in the 
US, and much of the rest of the western world. His reason? Because he 
couldn't allow congress to go on a "spending spree"... And he had his 
own rider on there too, which got vetoed with it. Something involving 
faith based medical programs, or some similar BS.

When the nuts that won't listen to facts, reason, etc. **are** actively 
trying to pull the rug out from under your feet, you have to do 
something. If you are not allowed to get pissed off and shoot them, they 
won't see "any" reason, and your lack of effect/response is seen as 
defense of the idea that they **might** actually be right, damn right 
its reasonable to instead get people to laugh at them. You can't make 
them uncomfortable by calling them fools, since they will just shout the 
same accusation back. But if even a small percentage of people are 
actively pointing out how much they look like the village idiot, some of 
them *might* be embarrassed enough by the association to question their 
perspective.

This does not, by any means, suggest that "everyone" should do so, or 
that we should all give up on every other path. That wouldn't work 
either. If you want to prove that someone is the village idiot, you have 
to point out what *not* being the village idiot means, and that takes 
all those things that mostly don't work on these people. Fact is, its 
not the people that have had an ethical, social and logical lobotomy 
such joking and farce is targeted at. Its the guy that doesn't know a 
damn thing about the subject, and might have reacted to us treating 
these people like they are honest challengers, instead of a bloody clown 
car full of circus performers, as a sign that *both* sides actually have 
valid arguments. Right now, in this country, you won't get shot for 
showing a picture of Jesus holding a machine gun, the way you will if 
you did the same with Mohammad in the ME, but just try to go on the TV, 
on *any* news show, on *any* network, or write a book, or film a 
documentary, or do "anything" that tries to suggest that one side has no 
answers, while the other has, at least, most of them, and watch them a) 
edit it to look like the other side has an equally valid argument, write 
a review of your book calling it all nonsense, then presenting the 
"other" side as if its all truthful, refuse to show your documentary at 
all, and or send you masses of hate mail, death threats and talk at 
length about you on their televangelist programs, saying that you are 
the worst thing since the anti-christ. And watch as the **only** people 
that actively defend you against this BS are other people who received 
the same treatment.

Its not possible in this environment to get anything in the news or news 
papers, without some idiot thinking *equal time* has to be given to some 
nut case that knows nothing about the subject at all, and does nothing 
but complain about how some crazy strawman version of your views is the 
cause of everything from the fall or western civilization to graphetti 
and AIDS. And in some papers/news programs, no one is either allowed, 
given the opportunity to, and/or bothers to refute any of it. But, such 
people are not only allowed to, but actually paid and encouraged, to do 
precisely what you think we shouldn't, make scientists look like idiots 
and buffoons. And they have been doing that for at least 40 years. In 
the 1950s, you might have seen a lot of literature, comics and TV about 
mad scientists and the risks of abusing knowledge, but science was 
*respected* and not at least pretending to comprehend some of it was a 
sign of brain damage (or nearly so), now the trend has been reversed in 
some segments of the population, and groups like DI are *actively* 
trying to replace science and *any* material explanation for the world, 
with faith and magic.

I just don't get why you think they should be allowed to make any idiot 
argument they like, be impervious to "any" argument, and continue to use 
our *fair* treatment of them as evidence of their supposed "superior" 
position, instead of us, for once, being decidedly unfair, and **very** 
clear exactly how nuts we think they actually are. Since they will hate 
us anyway, it doesn't matter if they like us less after laughing our 
asses off at them than before, back when we acted like they where worth 
taking seriously in the first place, and lended them unjustified 
credibility by doing so.

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