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  Re: Getting Kenned Ham, without paying.  
From: Patrick Elliott
Date: 16 Nov 2007 14:04:59
Message: <MPG.21a7978bb250f7ab98a06c@news.povray.org>
In article <473ddb21$1@news.povray.org>, dne### [at] sanrrcom says...
> Warp wrote:
> > Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> >> Warp wrote:
> >>>   The article and the photo series was nothing more than mocking for 
the
> >>> sake of mocking. "Have a look at these photos and have a good laugh."
> >>> There was no other point.
> > 
> >> Yes. And I feel it's entirely appropriate to mock people who are tryin
g 
> >> to get others to act in self-destructive ways.
> > 
> >   Mocking for the sake of mocking is not constructive nor helpful. It o
nly
> > increases aversion between different groups.
> 
> Yes. I want to mock the stupid dangerous group in order that people who
 
> hear my mocking might avoid them, or recognise how silly they are.
> 
> > Is that really the correct way of doing things?
> 
> If I could figure out how to make the stupid dangerous group less stupid
 
> or less dangerous, that would obviously be the right way to go. In my 
> experience, religion is illogical (in the mathematical sense of the 
> word), so it's almost impossible to convince someone to change their 
> religion with mere evidence. You have to get to the unreasoning 
> emotional underpinning. Of the various ways to do that, mocking would 
> seem to be the least damaging and easiest to control.
> 
Not specific about mocking, but it cuts to the heart of the issue 
anyway:

"So when you tell an atheist (or for that matter, a woman or a queer or 
a person of color or whatever) not to be so angry, you are, in essence, 
telling us to disempower ourselves. You're telling us to lay down one of 
the single most powerful tools we have at our disposal. You're telling 
us to lay down a tool that no social change movement has ever been able 
to do without. You're telling us to be polite and diplomatic, when 
history shows that polite diplomacy in a social change movement works 
far, far better when it's coupled with passionate anger. In a battle 
between David and Goliath, you're telling David to put down his 
slingshot and just... I don't know. Gnaw Goliath on the ankles or 
something.", Greta Christina - Oct. 15, 2007

Playing nice gets you no place at all, and when someone is impervious to 
evidence, facts or logic, you don't have much left, without being 
Machiavellian, but to laugh at them, in the hopes that embarrassment 
will open a crack in the wall of ignorance where everything else failed.

-- 
void main () {

    call functional_code()
  else
    call crash_windows();
}

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