On 2/13/23 08:36, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> On 2023-02-12 19:43 (-4), William F Pokorny wrote:
>>
>> The 22.04 Ubuntu upgrade itself failed for me - a first. I had to patch
>> and polish to get things going at all. My guess is they'd not taken code
>> developers very much into account while testing. Developer related stuff
>> seemed to be the source of many issues.
> 
> My last few upgrades of openSUSE have seen more and more developer tools
> removed from the basic OS.  The excuse I heard was "security," but I'm
> starting to wonder if the overlords are seeing themselves as gate keepers.
> 
>> As you know, Christoph backed up the parser from the one I branched povr
>> off for the v3.8 release. In other words, I know the parser itself is
>> different than what is in povr and v4.0/master, but hopefully not in a
>> way which too much changed the spline parsing...
> 
> For what it's worth, these were my results with openSUSE Leap 15.3:
> 
>    povray-3.8.0-alpha.9945627   std::bad_alloc
>    povray-3.8.0-beta.1          std::bad_alloc
>    povray-3.8.0-beta.2          segmentation fault
>    povray-3.8.0-alpha.10013324  std::bad_alloc
>    povray-3.8.0-alpha.10064268  std::bad_alloc
> 
> I believe alpha.9945627 was the rollback point.
> 

Thanks and this must mean the fix for Ingo's issue was done by Christoph 
between v3.8 beta1 and beta2.

On recent linux distributions I get that those supporting them want to 
simplify their jobs and the less you ship officially the simpler it is.

With Ubuntu I 'suspect' some of what's happening are changes due its 
broadening adoption - as the windows linux subsystem, for example. I'd 
make a small bet the change in core file handling was done in part to 
better support such uses. The old core handling has issues too.

One of my other pet peeves with Ubuntu 22.04 is they've adopted snaps 
(code on VMs) as the up front supported code for shipped packages like 
firefox. OK, except, I have long run firefox against files located all 
over my computer's file system - especially off ram disks - and by 
default most such file systems are not accessible from within the snap 
instances.

Anyhow. Change. I believe too a younger generation is coming to the fore 
support wise. They see things differently. Most of us old time unix / 
linux users are getting on in years. :-)

Bill P.

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