Am 09.11.2011 21:05, schrieb Jim Henderson:
> On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:52:30 +0100, clipka wrote:
>
>> I recall that when I first started using Linux (in order to run POV-Ray
>> on a separate machine, without having to pay for another copy of
>> Windows) there was stuff I just thought I couldn't figure out on my own
>> as well. While that feeling might have been wrong, it was there, and
>> comments like "I told you everything you need to know" weren't really
>> helpful in changing that emotion.
>>
>> It's like being given a 5000-pieces jigsaw puzzle (without a reference
>> image) when all you want is a picture to hang on the wall. Getting
>> comments like "you have all the pieces to assemble the picture - all you
>> need is a little bit of diligence" from people who seem to have seen the
>> reference image a thousand times isn't much fun in that situation.
>
> There's a difference between the questions you asked at the questions
> Joerg is asking....
>
> You asked questions after looking for the answers (I remember - I was one
> of the ones who tried to help you).

And still I was frustrated about the answers.

Aside from that, sticking to the principle of good faith, I see no hint 
in his messages that he didn't do the same before.

> Joerg is asking us to read the instructions for him.  Which version of
> boost is in the documentation in the source package he downloaded.  Had
> he read the documentation that is included with the sources, he wouldn't
> have had to ask.

Read his posting again:

"I soon realized that I would have to install some ominous "boost" 
packages. But as nobody could tell me exactly which of these packages I 
would have to install, I simply tried apt-get install boost* - and, 
promptly, blew my system completely as the system partition ran full."

He's not asking about /versions/ here - he's asking about /packages/. I 
suspect that his Linux distribution doesn't simply offer "boost" and 
"boost_dev" for installation, but rather "boost_date_time", 
"boost_filesystem", "boost_graph", "boost_graph_parallel", 
"boost_iostreams", "boost_math", "boost_mpi", "boost_program_options", 
"boost_python", "boost_random", "boost_regex", "boost_serialization", 
"boost_signals", "boost_system", "boost_test", "boost_thread", 
"boost_wave" and - of course - "boost_dev". Nowhere in "install.txt" do 
I see mention which of these are needed.

> He then went on to ask for someone to write him a tutorial on how to
> compile code on Linux, stating "Google isn't my friend".  But a Google
> search on the keywords I suggested turns up a good tutorial as the first
> hit.

I don't see him asking for someone to /write/ one. I see him asking 
where to /find/ one.

As for the quality of the tutorial, it mentions not much besides what's 
in the POV-Ray install.txt already. No hint about what an "#include 
path" is, nor any hint what to do if "./compile" and/or "make install" 
don't run successfully.

>
> Now, why should *anyone* do Google searches for him for something that
> trivial?  Why should *anyone* have to read the instructions included in
> the POVRay source to tell him what version of Boost to install - when
> he's fully capable of reading those instructions himself?
>
> I'm sorry, but the answer to those questions is emphatically *RTFM*.  If,
> after reading the instructions, you still have questions, then by all
> means ask.
>
> You took the time to try to find stuff first.  You didn't understand what
> you found, and asked questions about it.

I may be wrong, but so far I see no clear sign of Yadgar behaving any 
different. What /I/ see is fully in line with my hypothesis that he's 
confused, and frustrated because he can't find the needle in the 
haystack (or, what it possibly looks like to him, the needle in the 
stack of needles) that helps him to get from where he is right now to 
where he wants to go - because he doesn't even know what that particular 
needle might look like.

So he may have tried a number of needles on the problem already, finding 
that they didn't help, and now resorts to asking whether someone more 
familiar with needles might be willing to help him dig out that nasty thing.

> Two entirely different situations.

 From what I see it may well be exactly the same. Including similar 
responses. Except that Yadgar's reaction to the whole thing seems to be 
more like "I'm going to shoot myself" while my reaction was more like 
"I'm going to shoot everyone in the room".

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