Patrick Elliott wrote:
> The problem being, most of them are not talking about a "militia". They 
> are talking about everyone being armed, just to be armed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_%28United_States%29

Every male between 18 and 45 is the militia. If you can get drafted, you're 
allowed to carry a gun as a militiaman.

> The one is making the argument, "removing these will make things 
> better", the other, "adding them will". 

No, my point is that you can't really tell until you try it, because it's 
not logical.

> For gun availability to be a 
> positive, you need to show that a) possession of them *does* produce a 
> decline, which can't be attributed to anything else, which I don't think 
> is arguable, and b) it never produces a decline in safety and 
> non-violence, which I *really* don't think is at all supportable.

For availability to be a positive, you have to merely show that it doesn't 
reduce the safety of people. You're requiring people in favor of maintaining 
the status quo that has been part of the constitution for 200 years prove 
that there's *never* any harm from doing so.

My point is that you can't show that outlawing guns would make things safer 
any more than those against video games can show that outlawing video games 
would make things safer.

> end up being declared 
> "temporarily insane", we don't know that games do *jack*. 

You don't know that games *don't* do jack.

> Yeah.. We should just do away with all the laws that keep people from 
> owning/doing things that are deemed dangerous on the books, because 
> *all* of them are a bad idea, and lead to people in plastic bubbles.

Except it's already on the books. If you're going to argue to change the 
constitution, you really need to cite more references than just "well, *you* 
know it's bad, and you can't prove it isn't!"

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
  "How did he die?"   "He got shot in the hand."
     "That was fatal?"
          "He was holding a live grenade at the time."

Post a reply to this message