On 1/21/2011 12:48 PM, Darren New wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> On 1/20/2011 2:10 PM, Darren New wrote:
>>> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>>>> you could, for legit use, photocopy pages out of a book, for a
>>>> classroom, or to show someone, etc., as long as you don't *sell* the
>>>> book, or its pages, to someone else.
>>>
>>> That's not actually the case, and never has been.
>>>
>> Fair use. You mention it yourself soon after.
>
> Yes. But it's not just "if you're not selling it, it's OK." That's a
> common mistake people have. Photocopying an entire article out of a
> magazine and giving it out to your class for free is *not* fair use.
>
>> All well and good, but, in a practical sense, this is meaningless for
>> "digital" content.
>
> Not really. People just get in trouble because they're making copies
> illegally. Show me someone who has been sued for ripping a CD he owns so
> he can listen to it himself, without giving either to anyone else.
>
>>> Yes. That's called "public performance", and it's not one of the legal
>>> rights you get when you purchase the content.
>>>
>> Oddly, reading a book isn't "public performance". Even if you put it
>> under a projector it probably wouldn't be. On the other hand.. plug
>> your iPad into a big display on a wall... Would it?
>
> Note that it's more "public" in question than "performance". Certainly
> getting up on stage in front of a crowd and reading poetry from a book
> is public performance.
>
>>>> They could, in principle, even deny you the right to what you already
>>>> have, if they put in a clause for it, rent it to you (I mean WTF),
>>>> and, more to the point, stop supporting the device, in effect, denying
>>>> your right to ***everything*** you bought that is on it.
>>>
>>> This isn't true, as I understand it. I'm sure there are loopholes and
>>> such, and that it's more complex than either of us are giving credit
>>> for, but the intention isn't to keep you from playing stuff you legally
>>> own.
>>>
>> The biggest "loophole" is, if the software stops working, or the
>> server goes down, even if they promised to let you replace a copy, if
>> you lost the local one, you lose the thing you bought. So, no, I am
>> quite correct in this.
>
> You were talking about something different. I was talking about the
> legality, you're talking about the technology.
>
>> Same with "giving/selling the original". Try that with an eBook...
>
> That's certainly harder without support from the vendor.
>
Let just say that its complex, and the DMCA doesn't address complexity, 
just protections, and as such creates barriers and confusion.

-- 
void main () {
   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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