On 11/4/2010 12:27 PM, Darren New wrote:
> bart wrote:
>> >You're trolling, right?
>> Not at all; the question is interesting and
>> I just don't get it why you limit it the the air?
>> We can easily make and hear sounds under water, can't we?
>
> Of course, in which case the sound is made out of water molecules.
>
> I'm not limiting sound to only be in air. I'm making an analogy.
>
Bad one I think. Sound, etc. isn't made up of air, water, or whatever. 
It would be more accurate to say that it is made up of what those things 
are "doing". This is not *that* different than words on a page. The 
words are not ink on paper, they are the arrangement of those things, in 
a specific way, which produces a recognizable pattern. We define that 
pattern. Something that either didn't see it as a pattern, or commonly 
saw similar natural patterns (unlikely, since the point of such patterns 
is to make them distinct enough you *don't* generally see them every 
place), wouldn't recognize them as anything other than random 
arrangements. This is much like sound. White noise, in principle, 
doesn't have any arrangement that we recognize as relevant, while speech 
does, *but* there are nuts that claim to *hear* real things in white 
noise, because sometimes, by shear chance, such noise produces things 
that can be mistaken for recognized patterns, just as you can find a 
letter A in a rock, or entire Chinese concepts, in similar rocks, by 
shear accident. Mind, like the twits hearing "ghost" voices, the odds of 
it being an exact match decreases, the more complex the pattern, to the 
point where you may "see" or "hear" something that less subjective 
analysis shows **isn't there**.

Never quite got why ghosts can "talk to people" via random noise, but 
they never manage to do so in a way that matches "any" computer 
analysis, based on the phonetics, sounds, or patterns in the actual 
language they are supposedly speaking. Apparently, they can only 
communicate with sounds that are **not** used in speech, but that the 
human brain "mistakes" as sounding similar. lol

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