scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> >  Would you agree that the information portrayed by the text exists?

> Yes, it exists and it's made up of atoms.  The atoms can either be part of 
> ink on the paper, transistors in a computer, or neurons in an animal brain. 
> It's like saying "happyness" exists, it only exists conceptually, physically 
> it's just represented by atoms.

> >  Also, if information exists, it cannot be the same thing as energy
> > because information can be created and destroyed

> Cars exist, and they can be created and destroyed, so cars cannot be the 
> same thing as energy.  I don't get your point.

  You can measure the entropy of text or a car, and you can compare it to
the entropy of something else. You could even ostensibly define a unit
of measurement for this.

  If something is observable and measurable, and the properties of that
something can be well-defined, then that something is rather obviously
real, in other words, it exists. If it exists, the it's part of this
universe, in other words, it's one component of the universe.

  If it exists and it can be created and destroyed, that makes it distinct
from energy, which cannot be created nor destroyed.

> >  Hence there exists at least two different things in the universe:
> > Energy and information, and they are not the same thing.

> Cars also exist, and they are not the same as energy or information

  On what do you base the claim that they are not information?

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