On 10/23/2010 1:34 PM, Neeum Zawan wrote:
> Patrick Elliott<sel### [at] npgcablecom>  writes:
>
>> On 10/22/2010 1:34 AM, scott wrote:
>> Seriously? You think I mean "literal" workshop, or I am talking about
>> sermons, rather than, say, showing up, for example, on the blog of a
>> well known biologist, where the guy *talks* about his, and other
>> people's work, and proceeds to say, "I don't believe in evolution. As an
>> engineer, I know everything *must* have a designer, and therefor I
>> believe god did it, not some random process!". Other than failing to use
>
> Yes, but I'm having trouble seeing how their saying this has any
> influence. I've yet to hear an anti-evolutionist say "Everyone has a
> designer because the engineers, who really know their stuff, say so!"
>
> In any case, I think you're overstating a point. As Darren pointed out,
> one could reject evolution, and still do fantastic work on
> evolution. That's the difference between beliefs and training. Heck, I
> know economists who are regarded highly in their fields who point out
> that they don't believe some of the more fundamental axioms of
> economics. Yet, they're quite happy to invoke those axioms to do what is
> considered great research in economics.
>
See, now you are suggesting something that I want a citation for. Near 
as I can tell, every, "I don't believe in evolution", type known has 
either gone to work for the Disco Institute, at which point all they 
publish is gibberish about Irreducible Complexity, and other fallacies, 
or they leave, to go on to a carrier as a denier, having only gotten the 
degree as a means to babble about how they "know" so much because they 
barely passed the final. I have yet to see *any* indication of someone, 
in modern times, making significant, or even relevant, non-repeated, 
discoveries in the field, who is a creationist.

> I often find that people have this notion that you have to be a complete
> believer in the scientific process, and all that comes with it, to do
> good science. History repeatedly has shown that not to be the case.
>
For most of history, its been fairly irrelevant, since there was **way** 
more wiggle room, in which one could hide theology. This is, especially 
in some sciences, becoming increasingly problematic, and the lengths 
needed to reconcile them more and more stretched and tenuous.

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