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On 7/29/2010 2:03 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Even the ones that try to get off it,
>> because they realize they made a mistake, are stuck in a situation where
>> they are **permanently** wanting to stick their foot in the wood chipper
>> again. Their brain chemistry has changed, and they can't **stop**
>> wanting to *ever*. I would say that *that* is a pretty damn big
>> consequence, in and of itself, without all the other garbage people drop
>> in their laps, including the, often, complete destruction of their
>> lives, which just make it all that more tempting to give in to the need
>> they can't ever get rid of.
>
> Yep. Sucks, don't it? At the point where they're wanting to continue,
> someone certainly can intervene (and many people do). But consider this
> as well - that person who's so hooked they're going to get their fix
> however they can is going to break some other law in order to do so, and
> land themselves in jail. They don't allow drugs in jail (and the types
> of drugs we're talking about, they shouldn't allow), so they get a chance
> to be rehabilitated.
>
Man are you clueless. One of the **biggest** problems in US jails, other
than putting killers in with people that did lesser offenses, and people
killing each other, as a result, is that they **still** find ways to
smuggle the drugs in, and most jails tend to be run by people, operating
under rules written by people, who are even bigger hard asses about this
than you are, and **Do not believe** in wasting money on "any" kind of
rehab, beyond absolutely necessary to keep someone from dying from it.
No rehab for drugs, no rehab for their behavior, no rehab for
"anything". The #1 reason why you get so many religious groups in them,
peddling their version of rehab, is because the state won't spend a
dime, either to make sure the rehab they do get is actually effective
(and, as I said, the woo based stuff, whether its drug addiction, or
robbery prevention, has a shitty recidivism rate), never mind on
providing any alternative. The view point of the people that think
jailing everyone in sight, and who manage to end up running these
programs, and deciding what is funded, is that "no one" in there
deserves *anything*. The fact that this has turned most of them into
revolving doors, or worse, trade shows for more effective means of
hiding drugs, selling drugs, robbing buildings, scamming people out of
money, etc., they simply deny, completely.
We are dealing with a justice system, whose "solution", more often than
not, is not too far different from the old days when England simply
dumped every malcontent that wasn't useful to them on Australia, with a
small handful of troops to keep them away from the port, and said, "We
wash our hands of you." The last time anyone even seriously talked about
"real" rehab in jails the reaction was, "Just let in more priests.", the
state can't afford to do anything.
Its *exactly* the same idiot logic as you get with immigration. One side
says, "Throw them all out, arrest everyone in sight, and don't let them
back in.", the other side says, "OK, but what about the ones that
actually have businesses, have lived here for more than 10 years, have
kids, etc., and are **not** on welfare, like you accuse them of?", to
which the other side replies, "Deport them too, we don't give a damn!
You people just want them all to stay here!"
You tell someone, "We need effective rehab, both for drug use and other
behaviors in our jails.", the other side's reaction is **always**, "Why
the hell should we waste money on any of them?" The reply is, "Because
they will be out of jail at some point, in which case, as things stand,
they will still be doing the same things, only now you let them get more
dangerous, because you didn't want to do a damn thing to help them find
a better solution." The reply is **always**, "So, make the sentence
longer. If they never get out of jail, we don't have to worry about them
being worse when they get out!"
The stupidity of the system we are using, and the blind refusal to
recognize that its more complex than one side makes it, and we need to
solve *all* of the problems, not just the ones that make it "look" like
they are protecting the public, is complete fracking madness. Europe
seems to get this. The US, has half its population with its heads up
their asses, and thus, it just gets worse and worse. And part of that is
this perception that, "Individual responsibility", somehow trumps all,
if its something like drug use, but, too many of the people making this
claim, not that you do, but **way** too many of them, immediately blame
everyone else for *their* mistakes, when they make them, and no one
seems to grasp that "sometimes", to have a safe, sane, and stable
society, there has to be a recognition that some people need **help**,
and that giving it to them is better for everyone, not just the guy that
some jerk thinks should be allowed to do anything they like, with the
only consequence always being to tell them, "Screw you, we won't help you!"
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