Darren New escreveu:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Hmm. If you follow from your starting premise, maybe. The problem of 
>> course that (3) is in error anyway. You can *get* irreducible systems, 
>> without either needing them to be designed *or* previously existing. 
> 
> Certainly. And even if you found an irreducible system that you could 
> *prove* could *not* have evolved on its own, that still doesn't point to 
> the necessity of a God.
> 
> After all, we already have systems like that. Indeed, the whole 
> "watchmaker's" argument is predicated on the fact that the watch is 
> indeed irreducible enough to need to be designed. It doesn't follow from 
> that that God created watches.

you guys would enjoy God of War. :)

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