On 4/1/2010 8:46 AM, Darren New wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> The point is, the man protesting the government reform is the same one
>> who instituted the near identical thing in his own state.
>
> You *do* understand that we have a federal constitution, right? Are you
> aware of why you pay local property taxes but not federal property taxes?
>
> But sure, I guess if you lump everyone in as "the government" it might
> make sense to complain. That's just not how it works here.
>
For something like this, you need "consistency". If you don't, then what 
you get is what we have already, everyone but the people in state X, or 
Y, get screwed, and lots of people with money from the companies in 
their pockets go around saying, "I don't see anything wrong here!" We 
are not talking about anything crazy, just basically what people that 
work for the fed already get themselves, and half the people scared of 
it passing **already had** in the form of Medicade/Medicare. In fact, if 
that was what we where getting, it would be better, only... the same 
assholes that fought it passing also want to kill those too, and spend 
their time lying about it.

Its not about bloody property taxes, its about one single, consistent, 
nation wide, way of securing the health, as much as possible, of *every* 
citizen, not just which ever states, cities, or non-corp owned plots of 
land, just happen to pass something that tries to fix the problem. One 
whole side of the political spectrum does nothing but lie about what it 
is, lie about what they already have, lie about what they claim is going 
to be lost, lie about the cost, etc., while **taking money** from the 
companies that provide insurance. Its a matter of ethics. Its not 
ethical to leave half the country with substandard care, and let 
**insurance companies** tax people for 30%-40%-50% of costs that they 
are inflating in the first place, then stand around, with high quality 
government health care, saying, "Problem? I don't see a problem!" And 
that is what one whole political party seems to be doing. I don't give a 
damn if its done on a state level, or a federal, but the states, not to 
mention the Republicans themselves, had a chance, and did nothing but 
allow it to get this way, even when they have had all the power, and 
time, in the world to see it coming, and do something to stop it.

As for the ones who now "represent" states that did do something... 
Their hypocrisy is even worse, since they are saying, "We can't accept 
having the fed provide a program to everyone, which we did as a state, 
and which some states can't afford, given they are already doing things 
like closing schools. But, instead of just complaining that it should be 
a state by state thing, we are going to call it socialism, and lie about 
our own state already passing it."

Its not about who does it. Its about the lies, the hypocrisy, and the 
outright, in far too many cases, of complete lack of ethics, shown by 
pandering to corporations, instead of representing the ***people***. 
Many of these so "concerned" with the issue are doing all fracking 
three, often in the same bloody sentence, because they don't have any 
desire, or intent, to do a damn thing about a problem that almost 
everyone, including them, when being honest, say **will be** the next 
depression triggering financial crisis in this country.

They don't have plans, unless you imagine, "handing more control over to 
the people already screwing us", (typical libertarian logic...) is a 
"plan", and they don't think any plan that doesn't involve that is 
sound, so they will lie about *everything* to defeat it, including their 
own state's method of providing care. Imho, doing that sort of thing 
should be grounds for firing, but apparently, in the US, its a lot damn 
harder to vote "no confidence" and replace these people, and, 
unfortunately, too many other morons fall for their bullshit to do it, 
even if we could. To quote Olberman, to them, "You where elected to 
serve the *people*." Not corporations.

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