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>> ...so an IDE is a text editor, debugger, profiler, UI painter, VC
>> interface and doc-gen tool, except that it's one program instead of
>> several?
>
> An IDE is an integrated development environment. I offered a list of
> example features that an IDE might integrate. It doesn't mean it's all
> one program. It doesn't mean that all IDEs have that particular list of
> features.
Sure. But the saliant point is, an IDE is something that integrates
several features /such as/ the above into something which is notionally
a single "product"?
> Well, go download one. Visual Studio 2008 is free and pretty much
> top-of-the-line, altho the free one integrates fewer tools.
Hold on, let me check...
...yeah, thought so. It's already installed on my home PC. (I attempted
learning C++ a while back, remember?)
>> That sounds more like a CASE tool. (Does anybody still use those?)
>
> Sure. And if you integrate it into your development environment, what do
> you have?
Heh. Roses are Rational...
>> goes that if your language doesn't suck so much that you need to write
>> so much cruft in the first place, you don't need an IDE. I am not
>> entirely convinced by this argument.
>
> It's a decent argument, but it sounds like it's being made by someone
> who thinks "development" means "coding." Boilerplate has nothing to do
> with ensuring that unit tests run before you check in the code, nor with
> making sure that the right version of the documentation is distributed
> with the release you pressed to the disk.
There are all sorts of tools I can think of which can do these things.
But they're not "integrated". You'd have to set them all up one at a time.
>> Every IDE I've ever used has made my job harder, not easier. Then
>> again, maybe they just means that an IDE is overkill for small projects.
>
> Or your IDE sucks.
They tell us that Borland JBuilder and Microsoft VisualStudio J++ are
supposed to be the best of the best. To me, they both seemed slow and
buggy. (That was a while ago, obviously.)
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