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From: Patrick Elliott
Date: 28 Nov 2009 17:32:16
Message: <4b11a4f0$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Disproving a theory is every bit as important as proving a theory. By
>>> proving that the psychic phenominon does not exist, now nobody else
>>> needs to study it. This is beneficial.
>>
>> If *nobody else* studying it is good, an unqualified *nobody* studying 
>> it is
>> even better, is it not?
> 
> The only way to scientifically determine whether a claim is valid or not 
> is to, you know, actually investigate it. If we wrote off anything that 
> sounded too weird, human kind would never have advanced anywhere.
> 
No argument there. Now.. Given how only the people that cheat, lie, 
stack the deck, or consider "Blair Witch" style theatrics, followed by 
babbling, "That random sound sort of sounded like...", or, "Gee that 
random camera glitch moved like moved 'purposefully', why can't we drop 
the supposed paranormal already? Oh, and I love that last one, "move 
purposefully". By whose definition, by what criteria? That its less 
random than some other random light? More? Moved in what you *think* is 
a pattern? What the hell does "moved purposefully" even fraking mean 
without context of the ability to determine what the purpose *is*?

The most famous people in the paranormal are 1) a group (or several) of 
idiots wandering around wetting themselves over random noises, 2) people 
caught cold reading and/or staging methods to get information out of 
people before a show, 3) another cold reader who had to film 8 hours of 
show, with one *very* tired audience, then edit together the mind tricks 
and BS methods he used to *trick* people into thinking that something 
they told him 3 hours ago was a "new revelation", people counting random 
similarities between scribbles and locations as "hits" for distance 
viewing, and a whole host of similar people that are either confused or 
intentionally lying.

Its been tested and retested ***over and over*** thousands of times, 
some times even by bloody grade schoolers, and the conclusion reached in 
every single case is either that its a magic trick, run by someone 
denying that they are a magician, coincidental, non-repeatable, and 
usually damn vague, accidents, or deluded idiots, who actually fell for 
an earlier scam, and now have invested so much effort into being right 
that they are mentally *incapable* of admitting that the initial con, 
while long gone by, is now being perpetuated by them, because they 
can't, or won't, use the same logic with their "paranormal" stuff as 
they do to decide if the guy selling them a used car is telling them the 
truth, or when looking for their keys, instead of, "asking the spirits", 
where they put them.

And, that is the problem. Dowsing doesn't work. Gluing non-functioning 
bits of wire and a crystal to it doesn't make it work, it just makes it 
a lame ass sci-fi version of a wand from Harry Potter. It still won't 
work, because there is no "science" behind how it works, its just 
dowsing, with an even stupider dowsing rod. For someone to examine the 
validity of the idea, at this point, they need a) a plausible mechanism 
by which it works, and b) something that isn't blindingly obvious to 
anyone using their brain, or predisposed to believing in it, is nothing 
more than a different divining rod, not a "new technology". And the same 
goes for "all" of it. All anyone ever comes up with is trivial blather 
about how these things work, which are not quantifiable, and don't 
actually say anything at all about "how". Its word salad. Like gluing a 
"Heisenberg compensator" to a transporter in Star Trek to get around 
that it flat out *doesn't exist* and no plausible means to make one work 
correctly exists. Even if someone found and answer, and even if they 
called it the same thing, it wouldn't matter, because the HC is just a 
made up word, with no factual, mathematical, or scientific model for 
*how* it works. Anything that did work would have to actually *have* 
those. And none of the stuff sold, marketed, or babbled about, even 
attempts to present a usable theory (or, when they do, its one 
indistinguishable from not having one, since it breaks 50 other laws of 
physics, which the people who come up with it either don't know, 
understand, or actually get completely backwards).

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