Patrick Elliott wrote:
> No, they are just redefining what **is** abstraction as *not 
> abstracted*, so they can say its not the same thing. 

No, they're really not.  I'm sorry if you don't follow the logic, but I 
don't think I can explain it to you any more clearly.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Is God willing to prevent naglams, but unable?
     Then he is not omnipotent.
   Is he able, but not willing, to prevent naglams?
     Then he is malevolent.

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