clipka wrote:

> Of course that's doing it wrong: You have to /first/ establish a 
> comparatively safe society, by addressing crime arising out of habit or 
> dire need (the former by force and punishment, the latter by trying to 
> improve the economic situation), and /then/ take away privately owned 
> guns to reduce the acts (or the lethality thereof) of spontaneous "blown 
> fuse" type violence (or accidents).

Sounds about right.

> North America, OTOH, /is/ a somewhat tame society by now.

Um... Is this the same North America where seemingly even the police are 
not above harassing people who deny the Christian faith?

For example, the story about the little girl who wouldn't say the Lord's 
Prayer in class, and got expelled from school. Her dad said she 
shouldn't be forced to say the prayer, and soon the entire family found 
themselves being virtually driven out of the town. And then it ended up 
being a court case, I forget why...

Sounds like Britain in the Dark Ages to me. :-P

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