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David H. Burns wrote:
> clipka wrote:
>
>> In christianity for instance, everything bad is a conspiracy by Satan
>> and his
>> demons.
> While far to many christians do hold this view, it is not fundamental to
> christianity as
> I see it; and is dead wrong). It's always comforting to have someone,
> other than ourselves,
> to blame for our own follies and mistakes. But you might wish to argue
> that the belief and
> behavior of christians is what christianity is.
>
Problem I have with this argument is always, "Have you read the damn
book?" lol Seriously, the *point* of any religion, including
Christianity, is that there is some thing, or things, able to fiddle
around with the world and do things with/too it and us, which we can't
ourselves, and its our job to avoid the nasty ones, while praising,
worshiping, and hoping for a grand and happy after life for getting it
right, from the "good" one(s).
The Fundigelics are ***dead right***. Those who practice Christianity
are not Christians, by the definition of actually absolutely believing
in the fundamental principles that define the Bible. They may believe in
a god, but its not the OT god, and it, in some ways, doesn't even
resemble the NT god, which was unhinged, a bit racists (those damn dirty
unclean Sumeritans, who might as well have been atheists, but.. well, I
found **one good one**, isn't that just amazing?!) and seriously
clueless about some things, just like the old one was.
Lets put it this way. More liberal Christians define what "Christian" is
by their own behaviors, then attempt, and generally fail, at projecting
that back on the Bible, in a sort of revisionist, "Well, this is what
Jesus would do if here now, even if he didn't, or even contradicted it,
but since its what nice 'modern' Christians would do it, so would
Jesus." One might as well make up a new term, or take the old "diest"
one, and stop pretending to follow the NT/OT god, because its no more an
accurate version of what people that believed would have done 2,000
years ago, or 4,000 even, than China is the same now as it was under its
first Emperor. All anyone is keeping is the name.
And the insane lunatics, who all claim to follow the "true" version of
what was intended, (never mind their own glossing over of parts they
find terribly inconvenient), are a) right, in that liberal Christians
are less like the old world ones than themselves, they are also **so**
old world, that, most of the time, they care more about if you or me are
breaking rules than if "they" do so. After all, they know the rules, and
are asking forgiveness for them, while the rest of you deny that the
rules apply at all, or make sense.
Strictly speaking, there is very little, beyond a few bits that are
nearly universal ideas anyway in many societies, and most hard fought
and won "from" religious people that didn't care at all for them, which
can be attributed to Christianity, by itself, in the modern form. Its
like reading some blurb about a movie being "Based on a true story.",
only you look into it and a) the original story has nothing to do with
the movie at all (except superficially), and b) its seems rather likely
that the original version was made up, then embellished, and finally
exaggerated to the point of stupidity, before being published by some
guy whose life work seems to be collecting crazy stories, from people in
financial distress, who the locals all say, "Never heard of those
ghosts, demons, or other strange goings on, until the bank foreclosed on
the house, and so and so Ghost Hunter, showed up to talk to them about
the non-existent Indian burial site under their house."
Fundies and the like are ***heavily*** investing in them being right,
them being the ones "saved", and everyone else being, literally, damned
wrong. Most Christians in the modern era have a sort of, "Well, everyone
is probably going to be OK, except maybe vague groups A and B, who
'might' be sinning a bit more than Jesus would forgive, but who am I to
say so." Thus, they have no reason to want all, most, more than half of,
or even *much of anything* in the Bible to be absolute, undeniable, true
events. The only one they hold onto is Jesus, and then only because they
can't quite give up the idea of living forever, and reincarnation is
just "too weird" for most of them. Though, you will find some that even
subscribe to that.
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