David H. Burns wrote:
> clipka wrote:
> 
>> In christianity for instance, everything bad is a conspiracy by Satan 
>> and his
>> demons.
> While far to many christians do hold this view, it is not fundamental to 
> christianity as
> I see it; and is dead wrong). It's always comforting to have someone, 
> other than ourselves,
> to blame for our own follies and mistakes. But you might wish to argue 
> that the belief and
> behavior of christians is what christianity is.
> 
Problem I have with this argument is always, "Have you read the damn 
book?" lol Seriously, the *point* of any religion, including 
Christianity, is that there is some thing, or things, able to fiddle 
around with the world and do things with/too it and us, which we can't 
ourselves, and its our job to avoid the nasty ones, while praising, 
worshiping, and hoping for a grand and happy after life for getting it 
right, from the "good" one(s).

The Fundigelics are ***dead right***. Those who practice Christianity 
are not Christians, by the definition of actually absolutely believing 
in the fundamental principles that define the Bible. They may believe in 
a god, but its not the OT god, and it, in some ways, doesn't even 
resemble the NT god, which was unhinged, a bit racists (those damn dirty 
unclean Sumeritans, who might as well have been atheists, but.. well, I 
found **one good one**, isn't that just amazing?!) and seriously 
clueless about some things, just like the old one was.

Lets put it this way. More liberal Christians define what "Christian" is 
by their own behaviors, then attempt, and generally fail, at projecting 
that back on the Bible, in a sort of revisionist, "Well, this is what 
Jesus would do if here now, even if he didn't, or even contradicted it, 
but since its what nice 'modern' Christians would do it, so would 
Jesus." One might as well make up a new term, or take the old "diest" 
one, and stop pretending to follow the NT/OT god, because its no more an 
accurate version of what people that believed would have done 2,000 
years ago, or 4,000 even, than China is the same now as it was under its 
first Emperor. All anyone is keeping is the name.

And the insane lunatics, who all claim to follow the "true" version of 
what was intended, (never mind their own glossing over of parts they 
find terribly inconvenient), are a) right, in that liberal Christians 
are less like the old world ones than themselves, they are also **so** 
old world, that, most of the time, they care more about if you or me are 
breaking rules than if "they" do so. After all, they know the rules, and 
are asking forgiveness for them, while the rest of you deny that the 
rules apply at all, or make sense.

Strictly speaking, there is very little, beyond a few bits that are 
nearly universal ideas anyway in many societies, and most hard fought 
and won "from" religious people that didn't care at all for them, which 
can be attributed to Christianity, by itself, in the modern form. Its 
like reading some blurb about a movie being "Based on a true story.", 
only you look into it and a) the original story has nothing to do with 
the movie at all (except superficially), and b) its seems rather likely 
that the original version was made up, then embellished, and finally 
exaggerated to the point of stupidity, before being published by some 
guy whose life work seems to be collecting crazy stories, from people in 
financial distress, who the locals all say, "Never heard of those 
ghosts, demons, or other strange goings on, until the bank foreclosed on 
the house, and so and so Ghost Hunter, showed up to talk to them about 
the non-existent Indian burial site under their house."

Fundies and the like are ***heavily*** investing in them being right, 
them being the ones "saved", and everyone else being, literally, damned 
wrong. Most Christians in the modern era have a sort of, "Well, everyone 
is probably going to be OK, except maybe vague groups A and B, who 
'might' be sinning a bit more than Jesus would forgive, but who am I to 
say so." Thus, they have no reason to want all, most, more than half of, 
or even *much of anything* in the Bible to be absolute, undeniable, true 
events. The only one they hold onto is Jesus, and then only because they 
can't quite give up the idea of living forever, and reincarnation is 
just "too weird" for most of them. Though, you will find some that even 
subscribe to that.

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