Darren New wrote:
> gregjohn wrote:
>> Whoa.  I've listened to a whole year of Astronomy Cast, and I thought 
>> that the
>> Big Bang *was* about the creation of matter. 
> 
> The big bang is postulated because everything is moving apart. If you 
> reverse time, everything is moving back together again. Much like people 
> knew what temperature was "absolute zero" long before they could get 
> anywhere close to making it in the lab.
> 
>  > It is precisely not, as once
>> described by Cal Thomas, a scenario you seem to agree with, "the 
>> explosion of
>> an eternally existent cosmic egg."
> 
> You can have an explosion of an eternally existent cosmic egg without 
> creating matter. Indeed, if it's eternally existent, that's precisely 
> the point I'm making.
> 
>> Big Bang = Gen 1:1 
> 
> Well, no. That's exactly my point. In the beginning was *everything*.
> 
Everything within the bounds of what we can test, based on a "time 
based" theory of events. Problems is, we have no way to be sure if the 
properties of this universe are "derivative" of earlier conditions, or 
what exactly. And... trying to shoehorn any part of Genesis onto the 
mess is absurd. Even more so since I am "pretty sure" his version of 1:1 
bears no resemblance to the original wording, and even if it did, the 
rest of it is all ***wrong*** from the standpoint of every damn thing 
that happened after.

Its like someone saying:

"A well, first I starting by breaking some eggs." - Ok, sure.

then following with:

"Then I pored the batter into a pan, followed by mixing in the flower, 
and then I put it in the oven. Oh, and after that, I added flavorings 
and baking powder, took it out to cool, and finally, turned the oven on."

The first line is *maybe* an OK starting point, but the rest just shows 
that the moron writing it neither knows anything about baking 
"anything", but didn't even bother to go about thinking to hard as to if 
any of the entire process even made any damn sense in the first place. 
But, this is what Bible believers think "correctly" describes the 
process, even if they are still arguing over if days are days, and if 
not, how many years, centuries, millennium or billions of years it 
happened in?

The closest Genesis 1:1 comes to getting the Big Bang is that they had 
to start with something, and some stoned sheep herder looked around at 
night, saw a huge, vast, something, with a bunch of dots on it, and 
went, "Hell, lets say that was the first bit. I mean, its just a big 
sheet with holes, or something, and god had to start with the real 
'simple' stuff first, just like people do, right?" Sadly.. Its the most 
frakking complicated thing that happened first, and everything else is 
matter trying to make **simple** order out of the resulting near 
infinite chaos.

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