On 07/14/09 13:00, Warp wrote:
>>          I tend to disagree. If you're a group that is consistently
>> discriminated against, it will help greatly if that group gets together
>> and is organized.
>
>    In other words: Us vs. them.

	Nope. Just us.

	The assumption that it is to promote themselves at the expense of 
others, just because they formed such an organization, is flawed.

	I know of groups like the Asian American Association of Medical 
Students (or some similar name). I'm willing to bet that there's no us 
vs others mentality, and that in the field, or in class, there's little 
actual "discrimination". It's not as if they'll refuse to work with 
others who aren't Asian, etc.

>>>     "Increasing the number of black journalists in management positions
>>> and encouraging black journalists to become entrepreneurs": This sounds
>>> like racial profiling.
>
>>          No - not unless they simply insist that black people have to be at
>> their positions regardless of qualifications.
>
>    "Increasing the number of black journalists in management positions"
> sounds exactly like pushing them to those positions without the necessary
> qualifications. In other words, it advocates special treatment for some
> people based on skin color.

	It "sounds" like it because of external information that's biasing you. 
 From a language and logical perspective, either interpretation is 
valid. You're likely picking one because of issues related to 
affirmative action, etc.

	I see nothing wrong with the statement.

>>          It may well be that they're pushing their own members to perform better
>> and work harder so that they can get into those positions. And then
>> it'll be easier for them to fix any racial problems that may exist.
>
>    And selectively encouraging some people (based on skin color) to perform
> better is not racial profiling?

	Oh, sure. But that's like criticizing the ACLU for pointing out biases 
against certain racial groups because then they'd be doing racial profiling.

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